Wakester
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I switched to Tube (Sonzera 20) from a Boss Katana 100. No regrets.
It may be possible that @Aahzz can add mids or put his FRFRs up on speaker stands to level the playing field with his other guitarist's tube amp. We've not seen any results of that yet, so I reserve judgment regards comparing tube amps to the Helix.
uh… if it’s a comparison of the two, what strengths or weaknesses would not be related to our conversation?
I have hade similar scenarios as Ahazz.
Just giving my real world results on the SAME issue.
We sounded best with either tube amps or modelers at the same time.
If we tried to mix the two, one was exposed and couldn’t be tweaked to match the other.
I have indeed done that, so we have in fact seen the results . If I add any more mids it'll sound like my guitar has a head cold, and my various speakers are always on stands.
We were early adopters of modeling and started using them as far back as the original Line6 Flextones right up to the HD series of floorboards. We had rigs for all sized venues. FlextoneHDs into 1 or 2 Marshall 4x12s, Combos with and without extension cabinets for smaller venues, etc.. The absolute best part of these rigs was the ability to have the exact same sounds no matter what Line6 rigs we used. Hell, my PRS HG-70 and matching 4x12 even saw some action. Never tried the Fractals or Kempers. They never really interested me.OK. Just curious. What devices were used for comparison?
Never tried the Fractals or Kempers. They never really interested me.
That’s a fair question!I have to ask, in the most inoffensive and least fanboyish manner… why? You aren’t a cheap guy, that’s plain from the amps you’ve used. Why would the top two modeler choices available be of no interest?
Seriously, I’m just curious.
I played on an Axe Fx for years with the other guy on tubes, with a keyboard player too… never got lost. I’ll pass along a few of my modeler discoveries:
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Thanks, brother! It was hard earned… wish I could say I did it that way from the start!This was great advice. Every word of it. If y'all skipped it, go back and read it before continuing in this thread.
I hear you.That’s a fair question!
They don’t fit my needs.
95% of the time my sound is basically a heavy rhythm sound. The other 5%, clean or the rhythm with “something”- flange, tremolo, whatever.
I don’t play covers. No need to try and cop anyone’s sound. I only want MY sound.
My pedal board usually only has a tuner, a noise suppressor, and depending on the amp, a MXR GT-OD set as a clean boost. No need for all of the effects.
My amps do most of the work. If I can’t get a great rhythm sound - what I use and need 95% of the time - I won’t use the amp.
I do think think the Fractals and Kempers are great pieces of gear, if you need all of those features. I absolutely do not.
To put a bow on all of this, they’re a total overkill for my needs.
That’s a fair question!
They don’t fit my needs.
95% of the time my sound is basically a heavy rhythm sound. The other 5%, clean or the rhythm with “something”- flange, tremolo, whatever.
I don’t play covers. No need to try and cop anyone’s sound. I only want MY sound.
My pedal board usually only has a tuner, a noise suppressor, and depending on the amp, a MXR GT-OD set as a clean boost. No need for all of the effects.
My amps do most of the work. If I can’t get a great rhythm sound - what I use and need 95% of the time - I won’t use the amp.
I do think think the Fractals and Kempers are great pieces of gear, if you need all of those features. I absolutely do not.
To put a bow on all of this, they’re a total overkill for my needs.
Modelers are a great convenience, and fun to play around with, but there's still a difference between reproducing an amp, and playing an amp. There are a lot of technical reasons for this. One of the reasons tube amps are punchier is that they raise amplitude exponentially, while transistors do it in a more linear fashion. You really hear the transients through a tube amp.
It's why modelers seem to disappear in the band context sometimes.
It makes sense. I posted this same thread over at TGP and I have some folks saying either I should turn up, or the other guy should turn down, but it's so not about volume.
Helps to pay attention. Go back and read.