Clean Amp Tone via a Pedal?

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  1. Marty Canaday

    Marty Canaday We are and become what we do!

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    I do need to experiment more with the controls. I haven't understood the best way to do that, and frankly, am not sure of the sound I'm looking for, so I have been a bit lazy! And then, I'm not sure I hear sound differences that well. Guitarists on Internet sites make tone changes, and after doing so, I don't hear it. The tones sometimes sound the same to me. I'll work on alot of the ideas I've received from you and others on this thread. Thanks!
     
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  2. Ovibos

    Ovibos Unsure why all necks aren't rosewood

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    You want crystal cleans, get a Roland JC-120! Your dirt sound will suffer tho.
     
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  3. Boogie

    Boogie Zombie Two, DFZ

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    That’s a loaded question! Since I own a Super Dallas and already spent years with a Twin, I’d stick with what I have and love most. ;) (The Boogie MkIII is my name sake and a deeply loved amp, so it will never go anytwhere) Now, if I were starting over, the first amp I’d have with those two guitars (I have Strats and a Custom 24, too) would be a Fender Deluxe Reverb...probably a reissue. After buying a handful of some choice pedals, I’d be after an HXDA or something similar for the Marshall stuff. There’d be a Boogie in there, too, of some sort. The thing about a Deluxe Reverb is that there’s also a lack of headroom, but unless you’re trying to fill a club with crystal clear cleans, it should be fine for almost everything else.

    I personally think you’ll be able to get excellent cleans from your Blackstar. Adjust your settings then maybe experiment with some tube swaps and you should discover a side of this amp that you didn’t know existed. It’s all part of the journey. :confused:

    Tell us about your settings for the amp, focusing on the clean channel. Where’s the master volume set? Anything in the FX loop? Where do you have that level switch set?
     
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  4. pac90

    pac90 In Helix Land, the waters warm

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    Yes you can, and i am doing that specifically by running an line 6 HX stomp pedal into effects return, to bypass the preamp of my amp, and just use the power amp. I am using vox models with strat and prs, there are many many more, plus effects.

    Your amp is great, i googled premier guitar review, and read its more crunchy than clean just as you describe.
     
  5. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules New and improved member

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    Why don't you post a pic of your current amp settings so we can see where you're at now and if there is any fine tuning we can suggest.
     
  6. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules New and improved member

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    So I just flipped on a video about your amp. One minute and twenty seconds into the vid, I've already seen that A) the clean channel is VERY clean and B) it also has a "brit" voice that does add crunch if it's cranked. If you're using the American voice it should be very clean unless you crank it really loud. So... what settings are you using?
     
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  7. danktat

    danktat Award winning tattoo artist ... Amateur guitarist

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    I actually like my little solid state Blackstar. It is what I take with me, along with my Craigslist special Schecter Gryphon when I am traveling. This was in the hotel room from the last tattoo convention I was at. That little amp has been in many a hotel. Helll, many more than any of my higher end amps since I don't really play out much. :D

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  8. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    There’s no best way to experiment with the controls. I just turn the knobs all the way to the right, and all the way to the left, figure out what each control does, and set the knob wherever it sounds good to me.

    Sometimes it takes me a while to truly understand what the amps can do, and what I can pull out of them. That can take days or weeks, months or years. I’m still learning amps I’ve owned for years!

    i think the process is a lot of fun. :)
     
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  9. Jnug

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    Custom Tones makes several pedals or preamps dedicated to just clean tones. They have a ton of features and ways to use them. You can really shape the clean tones on them. So to answer your question in your original post there are pedals out there that are dedicated to providing really good clean tones. Here's a link where Pete Thorn goes over one of the Custom Tones Clean pedals
     
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    So a quick trip to youtube and I heard what I think you are talking about, really nice gain channel with all the proper controls for tone, It looks like the Clean channel is an after thought ( just bass and treble ) and it did sound like it needs help. its bigger brother sounded SOOO much better clean.
    with that amp an EQ pedal might get you better results and the gain channel might have enough control to leave it on all the time or turn it off and give you a 3 channel amp.
    For PRS look for a 2 -Channel H or C or go for a MKV ( any will do 25 -35 or 90 )
     
  11. Marty Canaday

    Marty Canaday We are and become what we do!

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    Hey, thanks for this info, Jnug! The video of this device is impressive.
     
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  12. Marty Canaday

    Marty Canaday We are and become what we do!

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    Thanks for the PRS amp recommendations!
     
  13. Marty Canaday

    Marty Canaday We are and become what we do!

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    Bass - 5, Treble - 7, Volume - 6 on the clean channel with the American voicing. Master set to 2 (out of 10) since I play at home.
     
  14. Boogie

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    There’s something to work with! Try setting the master to 5 then turn up the volume to the desired volume. For maximum headroom, turn the master all the up, then start turning up the volume. Keep your guitar volume at 5 or so to start.
     
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  15. Marty Canaday

    Marty Canaday We are and become what we do!

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    The Blackstar HT Club 40 is a loud amp. I'll blow away my next door neighbors (And, my wife as well! Ha!) if I turn my amp up to 5. I like to play distortion as well, and so I've had to lower the Master and turn up the guitar to get good distortion. I think this has been one of my biggest issues -- being limited to how loud I can turn up the amp given my home circumstances. Are you implying that the amp will sound cleaner on the clean channel with the amp turned up to 5?
     
  16. Boogie

    Boogie Zombie Two, DFZ

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    With a master volume involved with the circuit, turning it up higher than the volume control will result in a cleaner sound.
     
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  17. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Increase the headroom that the volume control will allow, it’ll sound cleaner. Turn down the gain in the preamp section when turning up the master volume to keep your volume levels low and your amp more clean.

    The pedals referred to will shape a clean tone, or, you can bypass your amp’s preamp by plugging the pedal into the effects loop return, and using the pedal’s preamp. I don’t really consider tone shaping or substituting a pedal for a preamp the usual “how to get a clean tone from my amp” way, but sure. Try it!
     
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  18. CandidPicker

    CandidPicker Feed & Seed

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    Not to step in, but swapping your preamp 12AX7s to 12AU7s (IIRC, correct me, folks, please) will provide better cleans and lower preamp stage gain. You could try a 12AU7 in the first preamp position, and see what happens, though if you may not be qualified, just ask your local gear shop to help. Shouldn't take much time or cost.

    I used to own a 40W Fender Blues Deluxe RI with JJ 12AX7 preamps and TAD 6L6WGC power tubes that sounded gorgeous, had plenty of headroom and took to pedals quite well. Just my 2¢. You can find these for about $400 and change used most places...though the OP likely wishes to not invest in more pedals at this time...just something to consider if the GAS bug takes hold...
     
  19. Danerada

    Danerada Goatee Practitioner

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    I agree with Boogie. Headroom. Also I would add, your pickups. Lower output pickups vs hotter pickups. I tend to like lower output pickups into a clean amp (I use a Princeton and a Dallas). And depending on your wattage needs, I would recommend the Princeton or the Dallas.

    Get that good clean headroom and go from there.
     

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