Why no love for the Phase I winged tuners?

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  1. Nick Gardiner

    Nick Gardiner New Member

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    I don't know! I really like the phase I tuners and really didn't like the phase 2 at all. Just seemed lower quality to me. There again, I do like Grovers on Les Paul so like heavy tuners. Phase 1s seem very well made and work very smoothly. The ratio may take some getting used to but try tuning a violin!

    But if you google search almost everyone hates them with a vengeance! I don't understand it.

    I find using the wing locks also very easy and fast to use. Very fast to change strings and never go out of tune. All of my PRS have them on at the moment.

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  2. veinbuster

    veinbuster Freeze zone

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    There is lots of love for the winged tuners. We just don't talk about it much because we don't want to drive the price up. I just did a string change on one of my guitars with them. I've always like them.
     
  3. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    They're great. Hard for some folks to use, though...
     
  4. DISTORT6

    DISTORT6 NJ Devil

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    I love mine. Get 'em set right and they are perfect. Christmas tree look is where it's at!
    They're the #3 item that fixated me on PRS Guitars. #1 being the tops and #2 the birds.
    My teenaged, pointy, fancy paint-job, 80's metal guitar mind was blown after the first PRS I saw at Sam Ash @1986.
    They became the pinnacle from that point on.
     
  5. toothace

    toothace We've got, you know, armadillos in our trousers.

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    I hate them. I'll be happy to take them off of anyone's hands and properly dispose of them...
     
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  6. BrianC

    BrianC more toys than talent

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    I love the way they look, but other than that the 2's are better and the 3's are WAY better.
     
  7. strat63

    strat63 New Member

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    Here's my opinion on winged tuners. Don't like them at all for a couple of reasons. They limit what strings I can use, the low E in a set of .10's doesn't fit on any of mine. I also find them hard to tune at this point because they gotten sloppy over the years. The ratio doesn't help with that at all. I'd gladly replace all of them with phase 2s or phase 3s if they'd go on without modification.

    On the plus side they do look cool.
     
  8. veinbuster

    veinbuster Freeze zone

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    Interesting. The strings I just put on were 10-46. I did have to seat the 46 twice for it to snuggle in nicely. First time I just caught the lower part of the string. As soon as I noticed I lessened it and tried again.
     
  9. strat63

    strat63 New Member

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    I wish I could get a 10-46 set to work on a regular basis. Maybe I just don't know what I'm doing which is entirely possible. I've often considered going with a non locking tuner that was a direct replacement but it would look wrong. Oh well.
     
  10. CantankerousCarl

    CantankerousCarl Occasionally Onery Member

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    I love them because they are so damn quick and easy to do string changes on. And much easier to "save strings" if you are dickin' around with stuff and have to remove the strings.

    I do find them frustrating to tune as compared with Phase IIs and Phase IIIs. There seems to be some play and they are harder to make micro adjustments to. I have had a few get slippy over time as well, but I suppose that's a factor of age just as much as design.

    BTW that's a helluva stable you have there....MmmmHMMMMMmmmm
     
  11. veinbuster

    veinbuster Freeze zone

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    I had to look again after tuning to realize I hadn't properly set the fat strings the first time. I'll be more attentive in the future, but by just pulling the string out the far side it didn't lock on to the whole string. It was never a problem with 9 gauge which I still use on another winged guitar I recently swapped strings on. Try a little pressure on the nut side of the string to ensure it is fully seated.
     
  12. DISTORT6

    DISTORT6 NJ Devil

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    I use a set of D'Addario EXL-140 Light Top/Heavy Bottom 10-52 with no problem
     
  13. Boogie

    Boogie SuperD

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    I have a set of 11s on mine with no issues. Mine is a2001, so maybe I got an upgraded version?
     
  14. gush

    gush She said "huge bag of dibs".

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    I'm one of those that dislikes winged tuners. I gave two sets of them away. Phase 2s work best for me.
     
  15. strat63

    strat63 New Member

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    Mine are from 91 and earlier so maybe they are a little different. I'll give some 10s a try again next time I need new strings.
     
  16. Huggy B

    Huggy B Hmm... kinda tangy.

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    I agree, my 408 has phase II and they don't stay in tune as well as the original locking tuners, plus they go out of tune with the slightest tap of a tuning peg.
    I will admit they are the quickest string change I've done, but if that's the only benefit, I think the winged were better for the other reasons.
    This is coming from someone that liked the 5-way rotary too.
     
  17. Jazzedout

    Jazzedout More Guitars than Time...

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    Love them!
    Never had any issues with the tuners on my 513 (modified Phase II?)
     
  18. sergiodeblanc

    sergiodeblanc Get in, loser, we’re going shopping.

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    Gush is a [email protected] champion.
     
  19. Furtive

    Furtive Knight of Bangin'ess

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    Sergio hooked me up with a single winged tuner collar for white 1988 CE #341 and by doing so, a small part of the world was made right again.

    They're different and have a slight learning curve. I have one that is slipping on the Dog, but still haven't checked it out. imho, no tuning peg looks cooler.
     
  20. Mixstar

    Mixstar Just too tired . . .

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    I'm probably one out of thousands but I don't like any kind of locking machine head. I prefer old school non-locking machines and correct wrapping has always worked for me.
     

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