Stephen L Hardy
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Great to be here. Seems like less drama than thegearpage.net & no PRS bashing to boot!
This Is A Great Forum
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bodia
Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved
Best place, ever!
veinbuster
Zombie Three, DFZ
Markie’s is pretty nice.
Nope, everyone here is high on koolaid
Tonart
Tone of the Art......or is that backwards?
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There are always people who feel compelled to dictate how to spend money that does not belong to them.
CandidPicker
Tone Matters. Use It Well.
I wonder sometimes if anyone here has a clue, then I realize it's a guitar forum, not the hair club for men.
Herr Squid
I was severely impressed
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You are not wrong! This is one of the bestest corners of the interwebz.
dmatthews
Dave's not here
You guys are a bunch of toadies...
Oh wait...
Me too...
Oh wait...
Me too...
Herr Squid
I was severely impressed
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That's from a potent mixture of sour grapes and "they don't make them like they used to."
gush
Where is that speedo pic
This stupid forum is the reason I HAD to get a guitar with dragon 1s because they rock. Or I HAD to get a prs with a trem because they're awesome. Or get 5310 pickups because they're incredible. Or a hollowbody because .....................
Mozzi
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In general, I do find that forums dedicated to a single Brand are less toxic because everyone shares something in common. Those much more general forums though are 'toxic' because there is that tribe mentality, you must belong to 'one' tribe and the one tribe is better than other tribes. If you belong to 'tribe' PRS, then the tribes of Gibson, Fender etc are against you and that's where toxicity comes into play.
Its the same with Gaming for example. If you are on a Playstation or Xbox site, there is less toxicity at least not aimed at you because you belong in that tribe. Its 'fun' to take digs at the other and everyone 'laughs' because they are all on your side. The majority of the discussion is focussed on just 1 brand so most of the discussion is 'one' brand but if you also own the other brand, being pro-brand 'B' can sometimes feel a bit like some are quite toxic if given half the chance. On general gaming sites though, the toxicity is MUCH worse because all the 'fanboys' gang up and trade verbal blows either making out that their brand is better or the other brand is worse etc
The Gear Page is a bit like 'IGN' for Musicians who want to kick other brands when they can and make out their preferred brand is better. If your favourite brand isn't the 'biggest' seller, then you feel outnumbered and tend to feel more toxicity than the 'big' sellers with many more numbers who will gang up in support if you try and defend your self, your brand. AV forums can get bad because of multi-brand (Samsung vs Sony vs LG) and even multi-technology (OLED or LCD or Projector) and which has the best HDR, best PQ, best motion etc etc.
Single brand forums, especially the better ones with the better mods, won't stand for too much 'brand bullying' and often, the mods themselves may have more than 1 brand as well as many of the users too. They are quick to stop things escalating and the majority are often much more tolerant of other brands - even if they are 1 brand users. You also have to look at the top, in this case Mr Paul Reed Smith himself who would have absolutely no hesitation in buying a 'guitar' (or Amp as PRS make those too) from a different brand if he felt the guitar 'spoke' to him and that attitude tends to be echoed down through the rest of the PRS people.
There are a number of things that contribute to a great Forum and the more of those 'things' there are, the less toxic a forum is. This forum has a LOT of things that make it great - from the philosophy of PRS himself, to the mods that run this forum, to the members that are welcoming and tolerant (if you only own 1 SE PRS and 20 other guitars, you are still welcomed and not 'ridiculed' or targetted for owning different brands, made to feel bad because you only have an SE etc) and most important, helpful if you ever need 'help' or advice on anything. Even if there is a 'disagreement', I never see things degenerate into 'name calling', aggressive behaviour etc, just people giving their opinion and reasoning - if that fails to resolve in a 'single' agreed point, it invariable ends with an agree to disagree and move on with no animosity - at least that's how it has appeared to me.
A forum is as good as the sum of its parts - from the top with the moderators all the way through to every member. It may help that this is a single brand Forum rather than a free for all with every brand, but that still requires its members to be 'tolerant' of those people that may have and use other brands too. Members don't have to be Welcoming or helpful but if they are, then that also contributes to a great Forum and why I think this Forum is one of, if not the best I frequent.
Its the same with Gaming for example. If you are on a Playstation or Xbox site, there is less toxicity at least not aimed at you because you belong in that tribe. Its 'fun' to take digs at the other and everyone 'laughs' because they are all on your side. The majority of the discussion is focussed on just 1 brand so most of the discussion is 'one' brand but if you also own the other brand, being pro-brand 'B' can sometimes feel a bit like some are quite toxic if given half the chance. On general gaming sites though, the toxicity is MUCH worse because all the 'fanboys' gang up and trade verbal blows either making out that their brand is better or the other brand is worse etc
The Gear Page is a bit like 'IGN' for Musicians who want to kick other brands when they can and make out their preferred brand is better. If your favourite brand isn't the 'biggest' seller, then you feel outnumbered and tend to feel more toxicity than the 'big' sellers with many more numbers who will gang up in support if you try and defend your self, your brand. AV forums can get bad because of multi-brand (Samsung vs Sony vs LG) and even multi-technology (OLED or LCD or Projector) and which has the best HDR, best PQ, best motion etc etc.
Single brand forums, especially the better ones with the better mods, won't stand for too much 'brand bullying' and often, the mods themselves may have more than 1 brand as well as many of the users too. They are quick to stop things escalating and the majority are often much more tolerant of other brands - even if they are 1 brand users. You also have to look at the top, in this case Mr Paul Reed Smith himself who would have absolutely no hesitation in buying a 'guitar' (or Amp as PRS make those too) from a different brand if he felt the guitar 'spoke' to him and that attitude tends to be echoed down through the rest of the PRS people.
There are a number of things that contribute to a great Forum and the more of those 'things' there are, the less toxic a forum is. This forum has a LOT of things that make it great - from the philosophy of PRS himself, to the mods that run this forum, to the members that are welcoming and tolerant (if you only own 1 SE PRS and 20 other guitars, you are still welcomed and not 'ridiculed' or targetted for owning different brands, made to feel bad because you only have an SE etc) and most important, helpful if you ever need 'help' or advice on anything. Even if there is a 'disagreement', I never see things degenerate into 'name calling', aggressive behaviour etc, just people giving their opinion and reasoning - if that fails to resolve in a 'single' agreed point, it invariable ends with an agree to disagree and move on with no animosity - at least that's how it has appeared to me.
A forum is as good as the sum of its parts - from the top with the moderators all the way through to every member. It may help that this is a single brand Forum rather than a free for all with every brand, but that still requires its members to be 'tolerant' of those people that may have and use other brands too. Members don't have to be Welcoming or helpful but if they are, then that also contributes to a great Forum and why I think this Forum is one of, if not the best I frequent.
CandidPicker
Tone Matters. Use It Well.
Although I'd prefer to not discuss other forums, it is possible to say that there are certain cliques that often form within forum members when they are biased towards or against certain products, or ideologies. TBH, and please forgive the reference, but it's actually a form of discrimination.
Sometimes, out of fear or ignorance, people have their mindset but are unaccepting of others' mindsets. I personally believe this is close-minded thinking.
When others can look beyond outward appearance, and not judge you for your own beliefs, then perhaps the tribal nature of discrimination can be prevented. Perhaps the way to understanding is to see who is leading by example and consider what they know, not as truth, but as a source of knowledge that lends itself to more peaceful co-existence despite having to guess and figure things out occasionally. IMHO, the way to understanding is not via confrontation or conflict, but asking questions so as to perceive the other person's viewpoint, so you learn about that person and can know them more implicitly, their likes and dislikes, what they're feeling and thinking.
It's really not that difficult. I think I'd simply prefer to ask questions to avoid misunderstandings that generally lead to conflict, than talk AT someone and not help them learn something...and TBH, by drawing someone out with questions helps them reach the conclusion you are leading them towards....
Sometimes, out of fear or ignorance, people have their mindset but are unaccepting of others' mindsets. I personally believe this is close-minded thinking.
When others can look beyond outward appearance, and not judge you for your own beliefs, then perhaps the tribal nature of discrimination can be prevented. Perhaps the way to understanding is to see who is leading by example and consider what they know, not as truth, but as a source of knowledge that lends itself to more peaceful co-existence despite having to guess and figure things out occasionally. IMHO, the way to understanding is not via confrontation or conflict, but asking questions so as to perceive the other person's viewpoint, so you learn about that person and can know them more implicitly, their likes and dislikes, what they're feeling and thinking.
It's really not that difficult. I think I'd simply prefer to ask questions to avoid misunderstandings that generally lead to conflict, than talk AT someone and not help them learn something...and TBH, by drawing someone out with questions helps them reach the conclusion you are leading them towards....
