The "Official Silver Sky" Thread

Discussion in 'Electric Instruments' started by Shawn@PRS, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. rmg471

    rmg471 New Member

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    Factual posts with well-formed thoughts and ideas have no place in this thread. Take your fancy metallurgy somewhere else, pal! Stainless or it’s garbage!

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    @Tonart thank you for sharing your expertise. I suspected that just because PRS doesn’t advertise stainless steel frets doesn’t mean that they are the same material as a bargain basement guitars’ frets.
     
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  2. Tonart

    Tonart Tone of the Art......or is that backwards?

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    I specified for stainless steel frets on a recent private stock build, but only because I don’t like yellowing frets and like them permanently shiny. How many people would have my tastes? Very few I reckon.

    I suspect SS frets could have started as a branding ploy by brands to gain an edge. But if it was found to be superior by players, it’s probably because it was compared with really soft fret material used by yet other brands. Of course it’s better, in those cases.

    But unless we know the exact alloys being used in a direct Brand A vs Brand B brand, we can’t generalize SS is supreme over everything else. Brand B could have titanium frets. :p
     
  3. Tonart

    Tonart Tone of the Art......or is that backwards?

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    I’ve no expertise, Brother. Merely reading off the internet metallurgy tomes...:p
     
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  4. Bluesverb

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    A Rockwell hardness would be of some value. The coefficient of friction would help.

    However, how many guitarists would know what those numbers meant? Or would even care?

    Its kind of like DC resistance with pickups. A high reading of 16k doesn't mean it is high output. or sounds good.
    But people take it as a starting point.

    BTW - what does Low Sodium mean in food mean anyway? What does reduced sugar really mean? Low for whom? Reduced for whom or why?

    I laugh when manufacturers take out something and sell it as a positive, like the food industry.
    Especially when food commercials advertise that they are eliminating artificial whatever, or "now with reduced sugar and no salt added".
    If they take something out, like salt or sugar, it costs less to make and their gross margins go up. Then, they let you know in a way that it will benefit you!!!!
     
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  5. Tonart

    Tonart Tone of the Art......or is that backwards?

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    Exactly. A large part of it is very meaningful and beneficial, but some portions of it also become meaningless soundbites, emblems.
     
  6. Boogie

    Boogie SuperD

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    So, who’s played one of these bad boys...besides a Bryan Ewald?
     
  7. BWV548

    BWV548 New Member

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    Indeed. All or nothing thinking is usually considered a cognitive distortion. Generally, such thinking, and the actions that follow, are deleterious in someway. Generally.
     
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  8. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Archon owning member

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    Uh.... so far.... that other video dude, and JM. And MAYBE PRSh. And NOBODY else. Except the secret squirrel...

    So far, that is. :)
     
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  9. presence

    presence New Member

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    Lots of hand wringing and nail biting about this guitar. Lots of armchair psychology and "deep thoughts" too.



    My analysis: it's just a guitar, it sounds good and it looks cool!
     
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  10. Grapeshot

    Grapeshot Awesomely Outrageous

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    Hiya, Shawn! How many years is "several"? Does my '14 CU24 have V12 or the new formula?
     
  11. Drew

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    EXCEPT, we do know the basic general properties of the materials involved. Maybe not exact alloy ratios and manufacturing processes, but more than enough to work on. Steel and metals is my living, so I MAY have a tiny amount of knowledge on this.

    Standard fret material is a copper based alloy. The copper content of the alloy is why your frets will turn green over time if you don't maintain the guitar properly or it its in a very damp environment. Hence, why the statue of liberty is green. The whole exterior of her is plated in copper. Stainless steel is a steel based alloy. Steel was created to be a structural material. Thus, its very very hard and strong. So, you have one alloy that has a very weak/soft main ingredient and another that has a very hard/strong main ingredient. So, when you look at just the simplest terms, a steel alloy trumps a copper alloy every time. No debate to be had here. You can look at other parts of the alloys but that is inconsequential. Stainless steel frets are far superior in wear resistance and corrosion resistance to a standard nickel silver fret.
     
  12. BALIstic

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    Laurent in Oz,

    Sky Music ordered two of each colour. I had a local Perth dealer order me one in. You may have left your run a bit late if you haven’t got your name down somewhere by now though. Sky Music is our biggest mover of PRS and they got eight I can’t see more than 20-50 tops making it Down Under, certainly not from the first batch. I’d guess somewhere in the 20-30 region.

    Surely there will be a cap on the number of JM 635’s. Everything else he’s put his name to previously, with the exception of his Martin acoustics, have only remained in production for a finite period to the best of my knowledge.....but I’m not a total JM fanboy so I might be wrong on this.
     
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    I’m am also a connoisseur of fine Casio G-Shocks. And since my lying, cheating, thieving wife (ex in 113 days....but who’s counting) had me kicked out of my own home, well my G-Shocks easily make up a quarter of my net worth atm (couple of Mudmasters in there, I know very classy. I don’t muck around when it comes to keeping time ! ).
     
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  14. BALIstic

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    Me too Brother, me too.........
     
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  15. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Archon owning member

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    I don't think anyone needs to be suspended. Not for generally annoying people. Heck, I'm sure I'd have gotten 20 votes a week for that many time, and I'm just trying to have fun, not be a PITA. :) (I know, but at least I'm trying! LOL) That said, I think Drew and I would be friends in real life. He says he's fun loving, laugh a lot guy, as am I. I don't have a problem with anyone sharing opinions, especially if they are well thought out, well presented and not "troll style" such as insults, or "they screwed up" or "this is stupid" etc. Once you cross that line, you're trolling. So, IMHO, a back and forth "discussion" can have differing opinions and even those on both sides might learn something from the exchange. Bashing troll posts, insulting the company or PRSh or things like that, over one option that it's what you prefer, and then doing it over and over... That's trolling.

    I have a guitar with SS frets. I love that guitar. I feel a difference in bending. I completely disagree with 10's bending like 9's on SS frets because string bending differences are more about tension than the slickness of the frets. But I definitely feel a difference bending and notice the smoothness of the SS frets, but the tension is still string related. And, I'd like for PRS to put SS frets on some guitars. I've been at a live meet where someone asked Paul about this and he said what he always does.

    That said, I have a 20 year old PRS with no fret wear at all, so whatever they use is clearly better than most others.

    I think that this one thing, being SS frets vs. PRS frets which seem to last forever even though they aren't SS, is not and never will be the reason a REASONABLE person buys or doesn't buy a guitar. I can't imagine anyone picking up a guitar and going "this thing looks great, feels incredible, sounds great, fits me so well I fell in love with it the second I picked it up, and it plays phenomenally well. It's everything I wanted in this type guitar and more. But, I'm not buying it because it doesn't have SS frets." If you've ever had that discussion, even in your head, you may be thinking yourself out of what really matters.
     
  16. strat63

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    After reading this thread I feel like I'm the only person that's had to refret their PRSs. That would be multiple PRSs multiple times. To be fair I burn through frets on every guitar I own.
     
  17. toothace

    toothace At least I'm good at dentistry

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    For your viewing pleasure. Great information all the way through. About 2:10 he talks specifically to this point...

     
  18. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Archon owning member

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    What the heck do you DO with these guitars? :eek: :D
     
  19. toothace

    toothace At least I'm good at dentistry

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    Could be strings, playing style and frequency, body chemistry, or all of the above...
     
  20. leokula

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    Couldn't it also be luthiers trying to push for fret work without it being necessary?
     

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