The "Official Silver Sky" Thread

Discussion in 'Electric Instruments' started by Shawn@PRS, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. Drew

    Drew New Member

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    Yeah..Paul says Nickel is hard, but traditional Nickel frets are only about 20% Nickel and 60% copper. Zinc, another very soft metal, rounds out the formula. Jescar uses 62% copper, 18% Nickel, & 20% zinc. Compared to a stainless fret, it's not even in the same league in regards to hardness. Paul is first and foremost a salesman. Of course he is going to state it like he did.
     
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  2. leokula

    leokula New Member

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    Paul definitely doesn't use "traditional" nickel fret material, as he leads us to understand ("we have our fret wire made").

    I still see no reason why Paul wouldn't offer SS in the higher end guitars if it was absolutely the better option.
     
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  3. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    Who’s got an Silver Sky on order and how many sleeps?:D
     
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  4. veinbuster

    veinbuster Coming of age

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    He is a craftsman first. He only sells what he has been able to craft and believes in. He is an excellent salesman, but that is a means to the end. The end being to continue to be able to move the state of the art of guitar making forward.
     
  5. Elliot

    Elliot Still a New Member

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    No way man. I’ve never seen you post anything warranting a vote like that. Closest you got was saying something about “Nancy boys”, and it was clearly unintentional.

    I’m not singling anyone out. There have been a few lately. I’m just saying: if your contributions are overwhelmingly/primarily negative there should be some circumstances.

    But you’re probably right. This forum isn’t anywhere near as rich with trolls as some of the others.
     
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  6. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    Hoping to lighten the mood -



    @toothace im sure you’re not the “Big Cheese”! And more like “Lemming of the BDA”?!:D
     
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  7. bluefade

    bluefade New Member

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    Stainless steel frets EAT strings at a faster rate than nickel/silver frets...
     
  8. Tonart

    Tonart Tone of the Art......or is that backwards?

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    The headstock shape is really growing on me. It’s almost like a modern iteration of the type. Conjures up a muscle car for some reason, sleek yet aggressive. The whole package looks pure class!

    If I was in the infancy of my GAS journey, I would have seriously considered one. As it is, anymore new guitars and I won’t have time to play!
     
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  9. rmg471

    rmg471 New Member

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    One on order. 8 Sleeps.
     
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  10. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Archon owning member

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    Right, but you’re correct that there have been a few lately. Old school “forum knowledge” says “don’t feed the trolls. Ignore them and they will go away.” I’d rather put them on the other team at the PRS dodgeball game. That would be WAY WAY more fun. :D
     
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  11. Guitpicky

    Guitpicky New Member

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    I think there is some validity to that argument. I would even go so far as to say that Paul is a marketing genius, but he is also very passionate about guitars and the overall quality of the products bearing his name. If SS frets were better in every regard I'm sure he would be using them. I think it's probably a whole picture kind of thing with many factors involved. As a buyer, I tend to look at the entire package and overall quality and disregard what anyone says :)
     
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  12. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    Likewise!
     
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  13. alantig

    alantig Sassyless pants

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    This.

    This reminds me of an answer I saw to a question about a pedal I own - can't remember if it was on the manufacturer's web site, or if they had it in the manual.

    The question was, "What replacement tube do you recommend to make the pedal sound better?"

    The answer was, "If we thought something made it better, why wouldn't we use it?"
     
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  14. toothace

    toothace At least I'm good at dentistry

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    I'm more Orin Scrivello...;)

     
  15. rugerpc

    rugerpc A♥ hoards guitars ♥A
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    This is for general consumption, prompted by DTR's post.

    The official forum rule is to report objectionable content. Members who respond in kind to trolls will suffer the same sanctions as the trolls.

    Rule number one:

    "1. General Forum Conduct and Etiquette

    Our rules are simple: "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything", "treat others as you wish to be treated", etc.

    We're all here for the love of music and instruments. Please treat your fellow forum members with respect and with respect for their opinion, as different as it may be from your own. Any "trolling", personal attacks or unbecoming behavior is against forum rules and won't be tolerated (and it just makes you look bad). We won't agree on everything, but let's not focus on disagreements.

    Be kind!"

    And, it is true that if you stop responding to a troll, it will eventually leave. Trolls thrive on attention, getting people riled up and love angry responses. Stop answering the posts, or even referencing them, and the trolls lose interest.

    A troll, once identified, should never receive a response to any post, even if the post is an apology or appears legit or makes a good point. They are only baiting you into thinking they are normal members. They are not.

    Hit the report button.
    Then, hit the ignore button.

    We'll all have a more enjoyable forum.
     
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  16. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    Thanks! Solid and sensible advice, that I have already used to eliminate negative and rude behaviour!
     
  17. Drew

    Drew New Member

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    Not necessarily. As a business person, you ALWAYS have an eye on costs. If the wire is more expensive, and there is more labor to install, level, polish, then Paul not see it as worth the few extra guitar sales he might gain as a result of it. Business is about money. Paul makes the absolute best guitars he can to fit the price ranges he thinks he can sell them for, while still making a profit. To maintain that balance, sometimes you DON'T use the very best materials you can. Case in point. The CE uses the SE bridge because PRS had a target price point and that is what it took to get within that price point. Otherwise, if the CE was going to be the best guitar it could be, it would have the core bridge. So, it goes much deeper than what's the "best" material. Market demand is another key component. If the market was clammering for SS frets, and PRS saw sales drop because they didn't use them, you could sure as heck bet SS frets would be on PRS guitars quicker than you could blink. But, PRS doesn't currently deem the lack of SS frets as something that hurts sales enough to make a change. BUT...as Les said, apparently Paul is now looking into it. So, PRS does watch the market, as I suspect they would. They don't want to lose sales to Suhr and Music Man over something as simple as the frets that are on the guitars. While a lot of you think that fret material isn't important, others do. Some people can only afford one expensive guitar in their life and the subtle things will be more important to those folks than more fortunate people like us, who are generally more spoiled in life and can buy, trade, and sell guitars like they are candy.
     
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  18. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Archon owning member

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    I agree with all of that. Certainly makes sense. But sometimes, there is nothing more rewarding than lighting a trouble maker up with a little red ball. So there's "squirt," there's "pie" and there's Dodgeball...
    [​IMG]

    Ok, just kidding. I'll stop. Back to "pie" and "squirt." Can I at least abbreviate and say like "DB?" :D

    Edit: Can someone with Photoshop skills please put a dodgeball in Psychos hand and send me the pic? :p
     
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  19. dkilpatrick

    dkilpatrick Makes guitar faces

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  20. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Archon owning member

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    So, having heard Paul asked this same question 10 years ago, and hearing him being asked it now, a couple things are clear.

    1) He has now said more than once lately, that is is "considering" or "looking into it."
    2) He hasn't done much actual research on it yet as he's also said several times that he wasn't sure exactly what it would entail or how much harder it actually was, and
    3) He is obviously still happy enough with what he uses now, that he hasn't yet seriously looked into it. But,
    4) He's been asked enough that he is acknowledging interest in checking it out.

    So, for those who won't buy without SS frets, I'd say, "come back in a couple years." And any trolling prior to that (We'll say 1/1/2020) will result in "pie," "squirt," or "DB!" :D
     
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