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- That's not how probability works. In fact, the Law of Averages is a misconception commonly refereed to as the Gambler's Fallacy. It is based on a misinterpretation of the Law of Large Numbers.
- Although I agree that some SE's are not perfect I honestly don't see the point on getting worked up over people's positive experience with them. I personally prefer and am fortunate to be able to spend more on a S2 or a Core guitar, but that's just me. I've played some great SE's and I think they are fairly priced conditional on what's available around a similar price point by other manufacturers. I personally prefer the newer SE's because the one's I've played so far had better slotted nuts, at least among the small sample I got to actually play. Maybe, I've been lucky or perhaps I'm "biased" by my priorities. I don't value so much cosmetic perfection as I value playability, tuning stability, sound and comfort. The thing is, which is the reason I like Maryland made PRSi so much, is that I'm able to have both. Personally, regarding OP's guitar, I would have returned it, because I view the frets over bird inlays too severe to accept it under minor cosmetic issues for that price point.
- This is a PRS forum, hosted by the company. I've been open about not playing PRS guitars exclusively and I personally never felt discriminated or have my opinion disregarded for that. Quite the contrary. I have plenty of nice things to say about other guitar makers, but I try to focus more on the plethora of good things that I have to say about PRS. However, that doesn't mean turning a blind eye for the very few times I've seen where PRS could have done better. The thing is that the one time that I did see something that didn't achieve absolute perfection among Maryland made guitars, PRS' customer service jumped in to make things right with outstanding timing. That didn't even happen to me, but to someone else. Given that this is a PRS forum, hosted by PRS where the majority of the members have positive experience with PRS guitars and customer service, it isn't one bit surprising that most of us are fans of the guitars the company make and will jump in to defend them.
Yikes, this thread is getting pricklier than the cactus garden I wandered into in Mojave!
Some of you have posted things that, yes, absolutely should be addressed. Others... hey, I’m not saying you haven’t found cosmetic imperfections, but may I give the following advice: Don’t throw away a wonderful instrument over a tiny flaw. Everyone is talking about is this perfect, how can I live with this visual issue... but have you played the dang thing to see if you love it? Isn’t that the point?
Yes, even SE’s are “expensive” compared to other imports. But keep in mind what you’re getting, at least what I’ve found to be the case - at the core of the instrument, much better fretwork, intonation, stability, resonance, sustain, and depth of tone. Nothing in the Fender/Squier or Gibson/Epi lines under $1500, that I’ve tried, can consistently hold a candle to PRS in those areas, not even close. And that’s not even considering cosmetics - have we all seen the sloppy binding joints on an LP, at the neck/headstock joint? The sloppy nibs? The stain on the binding? Fender and Epi, the sharp fret ends? Massive gaps fixed with filler around the inlays on an Epi? I’ve seen all of that, but never on an SE. Am I saying it couldn’t, or hasn’t happened? Certainly not. But let’s not kid ourselves when we talk about SE QC, it could be far, far worse on a collective basis, you aren’t just going to go out and magically find something else with no tiny imperfections on a whim.
Now, if your SE guitar has a legitimate, irresolvable functional issue, of course, return or exchange it!!! PRS and/or your dealer will work with you. Same for a big, glaring cosmetic issue. But, at some point, don’t we have to accept that these aren’t iPhones that can be made with tolerances undetectable by the human eye? They’re made of wood, in some parts of the process by hand, which is going to have innate or created visual “imperfections.” And, although our PRS guitars are known for their beauty, isn’t the tone, playability and function what makes them most special?
I know this comes across as a dig, but I would be missing out on some killer guitars if I let every little thing get under my skin. I guarantee you could go into my collection of PRS guitars and find a “flaw” in every single one if you look for a few minutes. Then again, I think you could do that with almost any guitar collection. Let me tell you what flaws some of mine have had, but you must also hear their strengths:
SE Akesson: minor clear coat runs on sides, neck pickup rattled in its mounting. Padded under the pickup, ignore the clear coat runs. Most ballsy singlecut I’ve ever played and I could never part with it.
SE A30E: has a big chip in the nut, plays perfectly and sounds amazing, I ignore it.
S2 CU22 Semi Hollow: Clear coat separated from the edges of the fretboard in a few places. Sanded it down gently and got on with life. Selector switch crapped out, with plenty of warning beforehand, soldered in a new one myself, $30. Fits in a mellow live mix like Cinderella’s foot in the glass slipper.
Core Mira 25th: odd light spot on the edge of the rosewood headstock veneer that makes it look chipped from a distance. Again slight clear coat separation at the fretboard edges, and again, I persevere with life and have found inner peace.
I have other SE’s and S2’s, but these ones I’ve mentioned are my favorites, even with their flaws. Personally, I think some of you guys are dismissing great instruments because you let your eyes alone judge them. It’s a slippery slope if you go there, few guitars are truly perfect. So, if your ZM has a stud well you had to adjust, and some semi-microscopic... I hesitate to even call them dings... don’t you think you’ll put a bigger dent in it yourself in a few weeks anyways? Play it man. Fret wire over your inlay? Be honest, you didn’t know what bird it was in the first place (ok, ok, I kid, I kinda get that one... but I’d still play it). If the guitar sings, you’ll ignore that stuff after a few weeks. Get your dealer to give you a credit for the issues. It’s not wrong to appreciate perfection, but demanding it before you can be happy is the path to ruin.
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I’ve owned 5 SE’s, still have 4 of them. The nuts have gotten better. All my SE electrics are Korean made, but I’ve been overwhelmingly impressed by the new Cortek guitars I’ve played, which kind of surprised me.
Yeah... kind of. I have and still would buy certain SE’s even though I can afford more. But I can distinctly hear a difference between an S2 and SE of similar spec... for example, the Custom 22 Semi Hollows. The S2 has a much thinner finish, and a mahogany neck (vs maple on the SE) and the S2 sounds massive in comparison. Also, the S2 satins are not that much more expensive than an SE, but they sound very different, if you’ve not tried them side by side yet, you should. The satins are very open and resonant, the SE’s almost sound like they’re coated in plastic by comparison because, well... they kind of are. And, I think going for the very plain, fast-wearing satin guitar instead of the bird and flame adorned SE is kind of the opposite of vanity, in some ways. On the other hand, I grabbed a ZM because I really liked it, even more than an S2 Singlecut Semi.
Great posts, Andy and Pauloqs!