Zach Myers joins 594 Party

[OldBayCrab85]

I didn’t see it publicized anywhere but I noticed the specs on the PRS website updated to reflect the SE ZM now has a 24.594 scale. With the SE 245 gone and a butt ton of 594 necks at the Cort factory, I guess it’s logical. However, the neck carve remains WF and not pattern vintage like the SE 594 range. I can’t imagine they have two separate 594 necks in the factory but maybe they do. I wonder if Zach got a heads up? And do I have to buy another ZM for .094 inches? Is the neck carve better? Could this be the key to me actually having some sort of talent? Is dad finally coming back with the milk?

 

[alantig]

And do I have to buy another ZM for .094 inches?

Size doesn't matter.




Right? I mean, it doesn't matter, does it? That's what they've told me for years, that it doesn't matter, but...

 

[Mark Ray]

Yes

 

[shinksma]

Carefully avoiding the jokes that have already started about relative size...

When it comes to scale length, I can understand "feeling" the difference between 24.5" and 25". AFAIAC, however, the "24.594 inch" scale of the 594 model vs say, 24.5", is far less of something I can sense compared to the Pattern Vintage neck carve. That 3/32" is hard to sense, along a string scale or neck length.

OTOH, 3/32" is huge when it comes to neck width or depth.

 

[alantig]

Carefully avoiding the jokes that have already started about relative size...

When it comes to scale length, I can understand "feeling" the difference between 24.5" and 25". AFAIAC, however, the "24.594 inch" scale of the 594 model vs say, 24.5", is far less of something I can sense compared to the Pattern Vintage neck carve. That 3/32" is hard to sense, along a string scale or neck length.

OTOH, 3/32" is huge when it comes to neck width or depth.

I wonder how much of it is a feel thing and how much is a tone thing because the pickups move a little bit (and I don't know that they actually do).

 

[j.a.]

Carefully avoiding the jokes that have already started about relative size...

When it comes to scale length, I can understand "feeling" the difference between 24.5" and 25". AFAIAC, however, the "24.594 inch" scale of the 594 model vs say, 24.5", is far less of something I can sense compared to the Pattern Vintage neck carve. That 3/32" is hard to sense, along a string scale or neck length.

OTOH, 3/32" is huge when it comes to neck width or depth.

3/32” or 2.4mm is not such a difference in neck length to me. I barely feel it even between 24.5” and 24.75”

Hopefully they upgraded the machine tuners of the ZM for 2023, that’s the weakest point of that guitar, worst tuners of any guitar I have. I replaced them, but holes didn’t match other vintage tuners, a bit of drilling was required and happy days.

 

[OldBayCrab85]

I doubt any mortal person can feel the difference between 24.5 and 24.594. Although David Grissom did claim (with Jack H confirming) that he could feel the difference of 0.002 inches on the neck carve of the prototype SE DGT.

However, having never felt one, I’m curious as to how the asymmetrical carve feels up and down the neck.

 

[DBedard]

I can switch easily from whatever scale or carve, but the pattern vintage on my Singlecut 594 is the best neck I have out of 11 guitars.

 

[SinSir]

If it really is a WF 594 semi hollow, that's killer. One of the things I don't like about the 594 is the pattern vintage. The only PRS profile I get picky about.

And offering a signature 594 semi hollow is smart business by PRS..

 

[gemyneye]

I saw that too and thought "huh, that's interesting"

 

[ViperDoc]

If it really is a WF 594 semi hollow, that's killer. One of the things I don't like about the 594 is the pattern vintage. The only PRS profile I get picky about.

And offering a signature 594 semi hollow is smart business by PRS..

594 with a WIDE FAT neck carve = WICKED COMBO.

 

[cmedcoff]

Awhile back I owned a Zack Meyers and I really liked it with one big "except". Intonation. I tried new tuners. Didn't help. I'm sure I must have tried 10's as well, but it just didn't work. It had that thing where if I went from a tune in G to a tune in E, or A, or D: I had retune the guitar. I don't have to do that on my core custom 24, my Torero (but that's a locking nut), my EG2, or any of my other US made non-PRS guitars.

The question in my mind is will adding this tiny fraction to the neck address the intonation issue. If it does, I'd consider buying a new Zack.

Anyone actually played one?

 

[shinksma]

My ZM (from a while back, 2014ish) doesn't have intonation issues.

I don't understand why you would have thought changing the tuners would address an intonation issue. That is purely the relationships between the nut, the bridge, and the frets in between. No normally-fretted guitar has perfect intonation across all strings/frets anyway - that's why those crazy wiggly-fretted guitars exist.

The tiny bit of extra scale length will not impact precision of intonation, AFAICT.

 

[cmedcoff]

It was something to try for a few bucks to salvage an otherwise larger expense. BTW. The intonation issues I observed weren't just on the Zack that I owned. I played Zack's at two other local guitar shops and they all had this same intonation issue. As I said non of my 5 other guitars do, and 2 of them are PRS guitars, from core's to SE's.

 

[gemyneye]

Indeed, there is even a video about how John Frusciante tuning his guitar so that it was out of tune in open but in tune for the higher frets.

 

[gemyneye]

Fortunately I haven't had any intonation issues (other than normal) and I do my own setups. I did have the nut replaced but not sure if that was the "fix" that I didn't know it needed?

 

[cmedcoff]

I do my own setups as well. I'm not saying I know everything, but I'm an engineer, I've been playing guitars more than 40 years, but I'm still learning.

Your replacement nut may have had an impact. Who is to know. I'm curious what exactly you used, who did the work (PRS, someone else), etc. Details can matter

 

[gemyneye]

The nut was replaced by a local shop tech here in Phoenix who also added my locking tuners. The nut and tuners I got from John Mann.

 

[cmedcoff]

Material? Ah, locking tuners as well. Interesting.

 

[gemyneye]

Material? Ah, locking tuners as well. Interesting.

Honestly I don't know. It just says PRS. https://www.johnmannsguitarvault.com/prs-string-nut-wide-fat-thin.html