Where did the false "Pre Factory" claim start?

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  1. Shawn@PRS

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    I just saw a post online showing an older PRS Custom 24 with the caption "Pre Factory". Unless your PRS guitar was built before 1985, it isn't a "pre factory" guitar. One could call it "Old factory" or "Original factory", but nonetheless, it was built in a factory.

    So my question, where did the incorrect "Pre Factory" nomenclature begin?
     
  2. Bill SAS 513

    Bill SAS 513 Just another old guy in a T-shirt

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    Just another description to bump up the price , most likely...just like Pre-lawsuit Singlecuts...same guitar...silly , but effective, I guess.
    The fact that Paul and all youzz guys are constantly working on improving your guitars is a testimonial that the older guitars are not necessarily better...just Older.
     
  3. veinbuster

    veinbuster Freeze zone

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    It’s been around for years. I think mostly by sellers hoping to gain a value boost by implying it came from an era of unicorn dust and Paul’s DNA scrubbed into every guitar.

    It is annoying and attempts to correct it mostly meet ridicule or worse.
     
  4. dmatthews

    dmatthews Dave's not here...

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    My take on it (quite possibly flawed) is that it is meant to refer to before "full CNC implementation".
    It never swayed me in any way, but that is what I thought it meant, and I'm quite possibly off base.
     
  5. MoggyMel

    MoggyMel Not My Boyfriend's PRS

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    I have always found it to be a silly designation. Anytime there is change, someone wants to cling to the old way (even though they have vigorously complained about the old way). I recall it starting with PRS not long after the move to Stevensville and eBay being where it got legs. Some hear it and pass it along as gospel out of ignorance, laziness and wanting to sound knowledgeable.

    There is somewhat of an analogous situation with pre-CBS Fender. Some act like the quality and design specs went to crap the day after ownership changed. It took some time before the CBS cost cutting measures started to show up, but some draw a hard line without factual knowledge about what really changed and when. Ugh.
     
  6. HANGAR18

    HANGAR18 What Would Evel Knievel Do?

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    I saw that guitar.
     
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  7. Mark Ray

    Mark Ray New Member

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    If I had to wager on this one, my money would be on the late Ed Roman.
     
  8. Rusty Chos

    Rusty Chos Don’t mean a thang if it don’t twang

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    One of mine is a ‘92.

    I might need a CITE certificate for the unicorn dust?
     
  9. HANGAR18

    HANGAR18 What Would Evel Knievel Do?

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    I'm under the impression that people generally have no idea that there was a little tiny factory in Annapolis which preceded the current factory in its obvious current location. Since I had never even heard of PRS until the early 2000's, the current factory is the only one I ever knew about.

    [Funny story in 5... 4... 3... 2...
    Even more recently, as recently as only a few years ago and having owned countless core model guitars and long after I got permanently bitten by the PRS bug, I STILL knew nothing about the original factory. One day (even before I even knew who he was) Jack Higginbotham asked me something like "Hey, what do you think of the name 'West Street East'?" (they were apparently trying to decide what to name the store) and I said "I have no idea what that is" and "It scares me".

    Later, a good while later, I learned all about the original factory, and I now know quite well who Jack is. Not only that but we have since shared much more productive verbal communication than the first time we spoke.
     
  10. Wakester

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    Unicorn Dust is on the California list of known carcinogens, you might want to wear gloves too.
     
  11. garrett

    garrett Lurkin'

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    I've been active on guitar forums since 2002, starting with The Gear Page and the original PRS Forum (which died and led to Birds & Moons, which died and led us here). That misnomer was already prevalent back then.

    It's mostly died off now, but there was a vocal contingent of people who were convinced the Annapolis-built guitars were superior. My take on it is that these folks strongly identified with the scrappy start-up that was PRS initially. When the brand took off and the need for a bigger facility arose, I think they felt like PRS had "sold out" so to speak and that the switch to CNC and the increased production meant that the quality and image would suffer.

    I think it was the above, plus ignorance. Some people are still put off by CNC and claim it means the instrument is not hand built and think it robs the guitar of "soul" somehow. I guess there was an impression that the earlier guitars were "hand made" and the Stevensville guitars, being CNC carved, are "factory made". That is of course false, but change can be hard and scary, so people felt like they had to differentiate the "good" original ones from the new ones.
     
  12. HANGAR18

    HANGAR18 What Would Evel Knievel Do?

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  13. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    Does this claim really encourage people to buy a “pre-factory” instrument?
     
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  14. Bill SAS 513

    Bill SAS 513 Just another old guy in a T-shirt

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    "Like", hell...Where's the damned "love" button!!
     
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  15. Bill SAS 513

    Bill SAS 513 Just another old guy in a T-shirt

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    Probably some...with the value of early PRSi increasing, and sometimes purchased as collectibles, I'm sure some take this into consideration when shopping.
     
  16. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    What a shame. I know that instrument sales is big business!

    The words “rare”, “collectible” and “mint condition” are used too frequently and freely these days!
     
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  17. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    I’m returning it.
     
  18. Mike Duncan

    Mike Duncan DGT Player

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    I'm saying eBay.
     
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  19. gush

    gush I'm not a new member!!!!

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    Well I'll only pay a premium for a "pre factory" prs if it plays like butter.
     
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  20. garry tous

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    What many people fail to realize is that in the original shop the tops were still carved roughly by machine. A stylus guided (albeit by hand)
    over a master final carved top allowed a Dupli-Carver router to shape the blank to the top profile. Then, as now, the final finishing was done by a human.
     
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