Warm Or Bright? Fat Or Thin?

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  1. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    And just to show you how we all perceive things differently (and have different needs), my limited run 594 Soapy is one of my favorite guitars!

    The Duncan P-90s sound remarkably close to the original P-90s on my 1965 SG Special, and since what I was after was a vintage tone, they hit the sweet spot. For that reason I wouldn’t call them crappy or muddy. I’d call them an authentic reproduction of the original P-90.

    However, the 594 is a more articulate instrument when playing single notes or chording, probably due to its maple cap. Strummed acoustically, the 594 is also brighter and more articulate than the old SG, which is why I got it.
     
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  2. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    I love when the question is about guitars, but there’s always someone who feels the need to preface their answer by telling you what attributes they like in women and sandwiches or something.

    “What color guitar do you like?”

    “I like my coffee black, my women with purple hair, and my guitars green.”

    “Gee, that’s...uh...great. Thanks. More information than I really need, but, yeah, how interesting...What do you think of vintage guitars?”

    “I like my cheese old, my women young, and my guitars new.”
     
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  3. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    I like cheese and guitars!
     
  4. Boogie

    Boogie Zombie Two, DFZ

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    I like my cheese gooey on a baguette...like I like my neck pickup tone...like I like my differential fluid. o_O
     
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  5. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Warm

    But I’m so d*mn deaf, it’s probably bright and I don’t know it. o_O
     
  6. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Did you accidentally open the wrong forum? :eek:
     
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  7. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    I'm not sure about gooey cheese, but I can now vouch for gooey butter donuts! They're awesome!
     
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  8. Bob Hundemer

    Bob Hundemer New Member

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    I'm a warm guy too for the most part. Once in a while I do like sparkle but mostly only once in a while.
    I can make an EQ change at the amp if I want. The presence know on my dr z works well.
     
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  9. sergiodeblanc

    sergiodeblanc Zombie Eight, DFZ

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    Brie, baguette, pear slices, toasted and drizzled with honey.... get a side salad and a bottle of wine and I could live on that sh!t.
     
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  10. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Fixed it.
     
  11. ViperDoc

    ViperDoc Plugged In.

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    WARM AND FAT. FORK ME.
     
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  12. ScottR

    ScottR If nobody saw it, it didn't happen.

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    If I have to choose...warm...but hold the mud please.

    Full disclosure...after just over two years of playing...this could change before I post this reply. :confused:
     
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  13. sergiodeblanc

    sergiodeblanc Zombie Eight, DFZ

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    That actually might move things along nicely.:)
     
  14. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Often mud is caused by how an amp and speakers break up in the lower frequencies.

    Amplifiers and speakers of all kinds (whether guitar amps and speakers, or hi fi amps and speakers) have the most difficulty reproducing bass. It puts the most demand on both the amplifier and speaker, and the combined breakup of the amp and speaker cone at the bottom end create mud.

    In a mix, most engineers simply run a high pass filter on the guitar tracks, cutting out the lowest frequencies, but that of course doesn’t solve the problem of what’s coming out of the speaker cab in a live setting, or playing at home.

    I use a pedalboard EQ to do what I’d do in the mix stage - high pass the lowest frequencies, with a rolloff point around 100 Hz, with certain amps. There’s still plenty of bottom, but the tone is a bit more crisp because the amp and cab are putting out less mud. And you can get mud with any guitar, even Strats.

    Some amps have a looser bass response, some have a tighter bass response, and of course, something like the 100 Watt Mesa Lone Star has more headroom, and usually headroom translates to less mud. An AC30 cuts out a lot of low end on its own, for example. So how I use the pedal varies from amp to amp. I can also boost the brightness with it, or the mids, etc., if desired. I’ve found that most EQ pedals don’t sound very good, but there are a few out there that sound great.

    My trick for the high end is to set the amp up with my guitar’s tone control rolled off a bit. Then if I want more brightness, I can use the tone control to get it, say in a solo, and roll it back for the verse and chorus. The same thing works with most guitar volume controls that tend to bleed brightness when rolled off.

    I’ve found that there’s sometimes a trade-off between brightness and sustain with guitars, with brighter ones tending to be very articulate in the highs, but needing a pedal to sustain more.
     
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  15. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Few things are so underrated.
     
  16. sergiodeblanc

    sergiodeblanc Zombie Eight, DFZ

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    I learned that the hard way in my 40’s. :oops:
     
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  17. Alnus Rubra

    Alnus Rubra Loving nature’s wonders

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    Back to the “brown” sound!
     
  18. helmi

    helmi single & satin

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    WARM
     
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  19. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    People say their bodies are a temple. Not mine!

    My body is a hotel.

    At my hotel, the servants providing basic functions must show up for work, on time, every day, or I am in the lobby at the concierge’s desk raising hell.

    But if something as essential as plumbing fails to function, I go over the concierge’s head and I’m at the door of the management threatening to move to a different hotel.

    Up with certain things I will not put!
     
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    The best lead tones are right on the verge of being too muddy.
     

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