Upgrading a CE with a MannMade trem - my experience

Mortem

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Alrighty, so I recently got a very nice CE 24 semi-hollow in a custom color. Amazing guitar, great pickups, gorgeous top. No idea why the dealer had this sitting in storage for 2 years. Absolutely nothing to complain about EXCEPT: in my opinion it’s ridiculous that a guitar this expensive does not come with the ‘proper’ PRS tremolo. I think a PRS CE 24 semi-hollow is about 600 USD more here in Germany than in the US, by the way. Don’t get me wrong – the SE trem worked perfectly fine and was very stable, but it still kind of bugged me. Makes sense on SE guitars, makes sense on S2 guitars – on CEs not so much. There just is no Core version of a bolt-on semi-hollow without violin carve (and that’s exactly what I wanted!).

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So I bit the bullet and ordered a Mann tremolo (2040). I ordered it on a Thursday and it arrived on the following Monday. As I mentioned, I live in Germany, so this is incredibly quick!

Comparing it side by side with the SE trem, it is obvious that the Mann trem is of much higher quality. The string saddles are 100% smooth and the whole unit is significantly heavier. This translates to an improvement in sound as well, especially when playing unamplified (which I actually do quite a lot). The guitar now is slightly louder and more resonant. With the SE trem, the low e-string sounded a tiny bit ‘rubbery’ even with a new set of strings. This is gone with the Mann trem. In terms of tuning stability there honestly wasn’t much to improve on, and I think the SE trem and the Mann trem are on par. Something that really annoyed me was the ball ends getting stuck in the SE trem block. I mean REALLY stuck. I often had to push the ball ends out with another piece of string and even that barely worked sometimes. Doesn’t happen with the Mann trem at all. Swapping the trem was no big deal by the way, thanks to the excellent instructions provided by the man himself.

One more thing I did about a week after the Mann upgrade: I put .11 strings on the guitar. I’ve got .11 on all of my other guitars and just don’t feel 100% comfortable with anything lighter than that (in E standard). I’m not a light-handed player and my style of music requires me to tremolo pick (both single notes and chords) quite often. This is where lighter gauge strings tend to feel too wonky for me, and they also have a tendency to go sharp. Picking lightly doesn’t give me the sound I want and the pick noise kinda gets annoying as well, so heavier strings it is. This required me to widen some of the nut slots a little bit, but that’s easily done. I also threw in another tremolo spring. I find those to be of higher quality than the ones that came with the guitar as well, by the way.

This change in string gauge made it come alive even more. This guitar acoustically is so loud and resonant now (more so than my Les Pauls that weigh about a metric ton each), it’s pretty insane. I don’t think it gets any better than this. So if you have never played a heavier gauge set before, maybe give it a try. Might be a bit intimidating, but I don’t even think it’s THAT much harder on your fingers when bending. You might get away with lower action/less fret buzz as well.

Maybe this is interesting for some of you :)
 
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I have found it necessary to change the overseas trem on a couple of my guitars. While I do believe that my Mannmade trems are higher quality, that alone isn’t sufficient for me to change them on the two guitars I have that still have the originals on them. I chase sound, and that’s not always attainable with better parts. I have an S2 custom 24 that sounded deadly right out of the box. No changes, ever. I also have an SE Singlecut trem that got USA #7’s, and that and a new nut were all that were necessary. Welcome, congratulations on a truly beautiful guitar, and we hope you stick around and contribute more.
 
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As I understand it, the SE trem was chosen because of what it brought to the table for that particular platform.

I am a fan of the Mann one piece and have them on a couple of my guitars plus one in my parts drawer!
 
Mannmade stuff is just fantastic. I encourage anyone with an SE trem to replace the stock saddles, it's an upgrade that pays so many dividends. I too have the same problem with the ball ends getting seized in the SE block. Wish I knew why.
 
Welcome, good first post :).

I was debating going with the Mann trem on my S2 CU22, mainly due to the ball end sticking issue that's so common with them. However, the guitar sounds fantastic and stays in tune well, while also being nicely lightweight. The comment in the OP regarding the Mann trem being heavier is a point against it for me in this case. It may be time to look into a fix for the sticking issue if there is one...
 
Welcome to the forum, Mortem . I really enjoyed reading your post on how the Mannmade trem had such a positive impact on your guitar. I'm also thinking of getting one at some point in the future. I live in Greece and would like to know what was the shipping cost for the trem.
 
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!

Absolutely not trying to say that this is mandatory upgrade for everyone, by the way. My SE trem was working very well for the most part. The issue with strings getting stuck in the block was supremely annoying, though.
If you are happy with your CE as is, then don’t change anything! Tone is a matter of preference anyway and some people might actually like the sound of the SE trem better. For me, however, the Mann trem is definitely worth it.

Just be warned that there are people here that will encourage to buy more PRS guitars.
Yeah, I highly doubt that this will be my last PRS guitar. At least I can blame the forum if I can't afford rent anymore ;)

The comment in the OP regarding the Mann trem being heavier is a point against it for me in this case. It may be time to look into a fix for the sticking issue if there is one...
When you hold the two trem systems in your hands, the weight difference is very apparent. But with the guitar hanging from a strap I highly doubt that I could tell any difference at all.
 
Great insight, especially to a ‘problem’ that is often perceived rather than actually experienced.

I think that, no matter what the price point, there are often things that will bug you if you don’t fix them. This weekend I’ll be tending to fret issues on my three PRS guitars (SE P20e, SE C24, WL C24) which really shouldn’t need fixing on any of them, but ultimately affects how they play.

Luckily I’ve never experienced many of the issues that a lot of SE owners have i.e. tuning instability/nut problems or, er, sticky balls!? But really it’s a sad indictment of PRS quality when somebody feels lucky NOT to have had these issues!
 
I’ve been thinking of upgrading the trem on my SE Santana with a Mann. I’m interested in the shipping costs/tax implications to the EU. Delivery time was impressive by the way.
 
I paid for express shipping, so it was about 40 USD for shipping + about 50 Euros for tax/customs. Not cheap, unfortunately.
 
I paid for express shipping, so it was about 40 USD for shipping + about 50 Euros for tax/customs. Not cheap, unfortunately.
Thanks. Shipping not bad, taxes meh. I’ve friends who had to pay 30€ for a teeshirt sent from uk to EU so in that context 50€ doesn’t seem ott.
 
That is a very gorgeous guitar there! That pic must be with the new trem installed.

If you have and recordings it would be integration to hear!

Welcome!!
 
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