Ugh...got the dreaded cloudy finish.....

Discussion in 'Electric Instruments' started by Emesem, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. Rhythmisking

    Rhythmisking New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2020
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    728
    Pretty sure it's internal moisture...and has nothing whatsoever to do with "smokey bars"...

    ...and some of y'all still live in places where you can smoke in bars??
     
  2. docteurseb

    docteurseb New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2018
    Messages:
    977
    Likes Received:
    3,288
    I'm very curious now, are those with nitro finish, or poly ? What years ? I sure wouldn't want to see that happen on my PS.

    I've had that at the heel on the first used CU24 Core I bought, I wasn't too familiar with PRS back then and didn't know that clouding was a thing.
    The guitar had clearly been stored with too much humidity (close to the ocean, frets and all hardware very oxidized, etc...)

    Thing is I had never ever seen that clouding on any acoustic or electric before looking at PRS guitars since I started playing 20-ish years ago.
    The PRS rep I recently talked to decide between nitro vs poly for a PS build seemed almost offended by that factual observation.
     
  3. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    26,816
    Likes Received:
    46,806
    Of the few that I have had with minor clouding, it's all been poly.
     
    dogrocketp likes this.
  4. CandidPicker

    CandidPicker Energized

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2019
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    4,473
    LOL. Was trying to put a positive spin on things. Serg seemed long-faced about this regards not being able to gig regularly... or perhaps I just didn't read him correctly...was just trying to be optimistic/full glass...
     
    dogrocketp, Wailing and Rhythmisking like this.
  5. Tonart

    Tonart Tone of the Art......or is that backwards?

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2018
    Messages:
    2,474
    Likes Received:
    8,967
    Between 2010 to 2015, thereabouts.
     
  6. Tone-y

    Tone-y New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    983
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    I've got some clouding in the nitro finish of my 40 year old Japanese SA1200 (335 clone). So it's not just PRS.
     
    Tonart likes this.
  7. sergiodeblanc

    sergiodeblanc “Evil” Sergio. You can tell by the goatee

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2012
    Messages:
    23,322
    Likes Received:
    43,084
    You know what I’m sayin’... :p
     
    Bill SAS 513 and Alnus Rubra like this.
  8. aphantomvaper

    aphantomvaper New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2020
    Messages:
    1,233
    Likes Received:
    2,393
    I was rockin' the Ganj last night and had a Cloudy Finish.

    Unrelated to the OP though...
     
  9. alantig

    alantig Zombie Four, DFZ

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    12,137
    Likes Received:
    22,776
    "Cloudy Finish" was my stage name.
     
  10. Dirty_Boogie

    Dirty_Boogie Still got the ol' tagger on it

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    902
    Likes Received:
    2,331
    I'd be more concerned about the snake! :eek:
     
    banditcosmo and Alnus Rubra like this.
  11. Tosca

    Tosca Zombie 10, DFZ

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2013
    Messages:
    5,468
    Likes Received:
    19,571
    I like to think of this as a built in “soft lens” effect that makes the guitar look more sultry in photos.

    Kidding aside...this is a relatively infrequent occurrence in PRS guitars (in my experience)...around 1% I’d estimate. My guess is it’s much more frequent on other brands (Probably more than 25% for Hamers), it just shocks you more on a PRS because of their reputation for quality/perfection.
     
    g.wizz, bodia and Alnus Rubra like this.
  12. alantig

    alantig Zombie Four, DFZ

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    12,137
    Likes Received:
    22,776
    Don't quote my reviews!
     
  13. SinSir

    SinSir Mad Scientist

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,272
    Likes Received:
    2,111
    I wonder about the finish issues I see with PRS, I have some bubbles on the back of my core cu24. It doesn't really bother me, well occasionally it does. It doesn't affect playability in the slightest, and I love everything else about the guitar. The time or two I briefly looked it up the census seems to be it was a factory issue of prep, drying coating too heavy or drying between them. I never thought about he swamp issue, that helps for sure. Before I'd always thought who was the slacker that they had working for them or a maybe trainee? I'm going to use the swamp excuse!
     
  14. banditcosmo

    banditcosmo New Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2018
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    211
    That's funny :)
    That snake belonged to my Grandmother and when I was a kid I'd always bug her to let me have it and eventually she did. That snake is over 50 years old. I need to figure out how to fix that broken area on it.
     
  15. Gyakuto

    Gyakuto New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    114
    What conditions do you store it in? Do you live in a particularly hot/humid or cold country? Any chance of any photos to see it?

    I remember noted luthier, Robbie Gladwell, suggesting when one was liberating ones guitar from the case into a hot/humid or cold environment, one should ‘flap’ the lid and close, wait a few minutes, flap, close and wait several times to equilibriate the guitars finish and hardware to ambient to prevent issues developing.
     
  16. Gyakuto

    Gyakuto New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    114
    I managed to dredge something out of an ancient memory about the misting of French polishing (or some thing similar) that suggested it was due to moisture reacting with/getting under the finish, likely from a fine bone china cup and saucer filled with Earl Grey (with lemon you heathen, not milk). The suggested remedy was using a hair dryer to drive the moisture out, if I remember correctly. You could try this maybe...not too hot and keep it moving and watch out for any deleterious effects.
     
    dogrocketp likes this.
  17. FunkyFreeman

    FunkyFreeman Moo Panuwat

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    515
    In Thailand, where the humidity and temperature are averagely higher than the US, this issue is very common.

    I'm administrating a Facebook group called PRS Thailand that consists of thousands PRS owners in this country and I've seen so many old PRS affected with it. We even got a Dragon 2002 with entire body heavily covered with cloudy finish, as well as many HB II guitars. There's nothing we can do much to escape from this to happen - be it cased or standing outside the case. It would happen as the finish formula isn't designed to resist our environment.

    Almost all of owners in Thailand solve this issue by sending their guitars to get refinished by local luthier because sending those PRS back to the factory cost up to $3000 - which is clearly not worth it considering the price of the guitars. In some local repaint shops you'll see many 20th Anniversary Customs, including some that belong to my friends, got sanded and laid around waiting for staining.

    For US owners, the cloudy finish issue may sound weird and unbelievable that it exists, but this has been considered a serious problem and many people here are avoiding buying used PRS here becaus of it. It's simply not okay to pay for refinish job on a $3000+ guitar, oh, except the Dragon 2002 below.

    PRS has been making great guitars since the start of business, but they takes 35 years to conclude that CAB finish probably be the way out of all issue like they once said when debut of V12 finish 9 years ago. Who knows what to see in the future...

    Just adding some photos that were shared in my group for some evidences.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    #37 FunkyFreeman, Nov 17, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2020
    g.wizz, dogrocketp and Henry2 like this.
  18. Gyakuto

    Gyakuto New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    114
    Wow that IS ugly. I assume these are nitrocellulose finishes? It seems madness to use nitro when modern polymers are so much more durable. So you think it’s a combination of heat and humidity that causes the issue?
     
  19. Jazzedout

    Jazzedout More Guitars than Time...

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    1,365
    Likes Received:
    1,205
    I believe all of them are poly...
     
  20. Gyakuto

    Gyakuto New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    114
    Oh that is discombobulating! o_O
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice