Thoughts on Gibson’s new management/direction?

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  1. GavQuinn

    GavQuinn New Member

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    Hi peoples,

    I wanted to kick off a discussion on the latest that we’ve heard.

    Some new top level mgmt. at Gibson now, Levi’s former boss, and 2 others, one from a luxury goods background, another from supply chain, etc.

    We’re probably all aware that there’s a flurry or anger and disappointment any time a new guitar is released by Gibson; it seems there’s always someone who ends up severely disappointed with them – too much features, not enough change, too similar, hairbrained ideas (wide neck, robotics), poor designs (Firebird Zero).

    I appreciate that not everyone thinks this way, in fact, I find the PRS people are a positive bunch who like new things.

    I would like to start the chat here; what would you guys like to see, what new guitars should they make, if any?

    What changes should they make? (produce in Asia, cheaper finish on lower priced models, etc to decrease price)

    I’ll start off; I think the following could be considerations;
    • Poly finish on cheaper models
    • Less of a headstock break angle to strengthen headstock AND sort tuning
    • Simplify the product line up.
    • Stop making crap products (Fort Knox LP, Firebird Zero)
    • Stop trying to peddle to internet moaners who WON’T buy ANYTHING anyway.
    • Stop the constant referring to what they made 60 years ago as being blatantly better than today.
    • Make a cheaper ES model.
     
  2. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    I can tell you that people in the custom shop are excited.
     
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  3. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    I have Reissues from the 90s and most of the years starting with and following 2000. The BEST R9s I have played begin 2013 and move forward; they are exceptionally good guitars.
     
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    sergiodeblanc Silver pants make me wanna dance.

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    Step one: Make Les Paul’s.

    Step two: Sell Les Paul’s.
     
  5. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Former Lyricist for Calhoun Tubbs

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    The increased break angle helps maintain string tension on the shorter scale guitars.
     
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  6. Big Mike

    Big Mike Soon to be on a McCarty hunt..

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    Meh. They make nothing I want at this point.
     
  7. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Agreed. I really like the angle.
     
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  8. Tosca

    Tosca Death by a million mini-toggles...

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    If they focus on the quality and consistency of their instruments at every price point (agree w Steve, the recent custom shop offerings have been exceptional), they will be successful. If they focus more on being a “lifestyle brand” than a guitar builder, they will continue to struggle. The background/experience/expertise of the new management team has me a little concerned...I hope I’m wrong.
     
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    DreamTheaterRules Former Lyricist for Calhoun Tubbs

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    I'm no guitar designer, although I play one on local TV, but I think it's pretty much required with the short scale. I always knew it made a difference, but hearing Taylor describe how and why they changed the head stock angle on their new 12 fret models, and then even went to slotted headstocks to get even more string break angle, and they say they still play easier than a standard one because of less string tension. They went into a lot of detail, and it really made the gibby angle make sense.
     
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  10. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    I once, ok more than once, heard a great man say, "all other guitars are stupid." Sometimes "stupid" is supplanted with "trash" :p
     
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    toothace At least I'm good at dentistry

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    Step three: step up QC on said Les Pauls
     
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    GavQuinn New Member

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    Yeah, both correct, but it’s a bigger angle than on say the PRS, the angle Gibson use causes headstock breakage and some tuning issues.

    Less, not none.
     
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    GavQuinn New Member

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    Glad to hear it!
     
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    My point is, PRS don’t make an ‘85 reissue’ and make it better than all the rest. Nor do they tell you that it’s their best period.

    Surely we know more about everything today than they did in the late 50s?

    I’ve played some collectors choice guitars, they were incredible, but the price..
     
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  15. Big Mike

    Big Mike Soon to be on a McCarty hunt..

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    Watch Paul’s video about the 594
    Impressive
     
  16. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    I’ve had neither issue on their custom shop guitars.
     
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    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    If you’re referring to their “standard production” models, I concur. However, their custom shop models are excellent in my experience (and I have quite a few).
     
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  18. dmatthews

    dmatthews Dave's not here...

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    I don't care what they make, as long as ALL of the models are shipped in such a way that they are ALL excellent.
    I NEVER want to have to worry about craftsmanship again, which is why I play PRS.
    If they can ship all of their guitars with the same QC as PRS I MIGHT try one.
    Maybe.
     
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    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Which is why with Gibson, I stick to Custom Shop.
     
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    dmatthews Dave's not here...

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    And I get that.
    But... look at a core PRS and a core Gibson. Similar price? I guess it's close.
    Gibson needs to charge custom shop prices for core PRS quality.
     
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