People have short memories, or are ignorant of history. From 1990-1995, PRS made a Strat-looking, 3 single pickup, bolt-on neck, plastic pickguarded, guitar called the EG. Google it. It’s pretty much a Strat.
The concept is, therefore, 28 years old for PRS. So the “elephant” has been around for a while.
The Santana shape is a variation on the Les Paul Jr. double-cut. Take a look at both guitar shapes, Person Thinking He’s Pointing Out Elephants.
The Strat headstock was first seen on the 1948 Bigsby Merle Travis guitar. And guess what; the Les Paul body shape was ALSO first seen on the 1948 Bigsby Merle Travis guitar. Google the damn thing. Now tell me how original the world is.
What motivates anyone to claim, “OMG, I’ve just noticed something that’s upset me that no one else is talking about,” when in fact, it’s all over the freaking internet and is the subject of innumerable rants and blathers, including on this very forum, is a mystery to me.
4 pages is pretty impressive, but he had to add some tinder in between...So...ya think the OP got things stirred up like he was hoping to?![]()
Did the Gear Page run out of bandwidth, or something?![]()
Ever since the Silver Sky was announced, and subsequently released, I have felt exactly this way.Did the Gear Page run out of bandwidth, or something?![]()
This is what happens when someone takes too many bullish!t pills.
"He shoots, he scores! Shawn FTW!"Did the Gear Page run out of bandwidth, or something?![]()
I can quit any time I want!All this time and I didn't know they HAD such a thing. Boy, that sure does explain a lot though. I know some people who, now obviously, have been addicted to these things for years!
OK, I should probably just shut up, but as a relatively new guy here, I'm genuinely curious. Did PRS include this forum on their website ONLY to allow people to gush over how much they love everything PRS does? Or did they also assume (maybe even hope) there'd be some criticism, discussion, debate? I mean, I've been on sponsored forums before and there's a certain level of just gratuitous stick in the eye kinds of posts that were frowned upon, maybe even with a thread shut down upon occasion. But there was all kinds of debate and discussion about different frames (this was a bicycle frame-maker's sponsored forum) the company offered. When someone thought they'd offered a real stinker, if the discussion was civil and didn't get into name calling, I never saw anyone object to those threads. I was pretty damn sure that company reps were looking in and taking some of the criticism as valid input. I mean, who better to listen to than some of your most devoted fans who know your product line better than a lot of retailers do?Seriously, dude, this is a PRS sponsored forum, that they are nice enough to provide for those of us who enjoy their instruments. If you want to rip the company, go to f*cking TGP or something. Poor form.
OK, I should probably just shut up, but as a relatively new guy here, I'm genuinely curious. Did PRS include this forum on their website ONLY to allow people to gush over how much they love everything PRS does? Or did they also assume (maybe even hope) there'd be some criticism, discussion, debate? I mean, I've been on sponsored forums before and there's a certain level of just gratuitous stick in the eye kinds of posts that were frowned upon, maybe even with a thread shut down upon occasion. But there was all kinds of debate and discussion about different frames (this was a bicycle frame-maker's sponsored forum) the company offered. When someone thought they'd offered a real stinker, if the discussion was civil and didn't get into name calling, I never saw anyone object to those threads. I was pretty damn sure that company reps were looking in and taking some of the criticism as valid input. I mean, who better to listen to than some of your most devoted fans who know your product line better than a lot of retailers do?
But I've seen just a handful of negative threads (constructively negative too, I thought) here in the couple of months I've been checking out this forum and the OPs generally get ripped a new one, accused of being trolls, etc. Rather than their criticisms being taken in good faith.
I mean, if that's the rule or the culture, good to know, I guess, but I honestly don't get it. I personally don't have any problem with PRS offering guitars that look a lot like strats and Les Pauls, but I'd probably be less inclined to buy one unless I just LOVED the guitar well above and beyond what was available from the original manufacturer. I bought a 594, but I absolutely wanted a double-cut, mostly because of aesthetics - it looks completely like a PRS, not sort of like a Les Paul. I'm not interested in anyone's strat copy because to me the original is still perfect in it's imperfection. The strat is a funky guitar - sometimes you have to fight with it a little bit, but to me that's part of the experience and contributes to the feel and the sound. I want my 594 to play like a PRS but I don't want my strat to play that way! I don't have a problem with PRS offering guitars that look like strats and Les Pauls but play like PRSs, but I also don't see anything wrong with the OP expressing his lukewarm (at best) reaction to it. I don't care one way or the other but I'd be less inclined to buy one too. I mean, I like the Silver Sky well enough, but if they'd been able to come up with a design that was clearly 90% PRS and 10% strat (rather than the other way around) and still gave Mayer his preferred sound(s) and feel, that surely wouldn't have been a BAD thing, would it!?!?!?
So, is this place JUST a fan club? I mean, it's obviously that and I don't have any issue with that at all - it's inevitable and great. PRS guitars are certainly worthy of a lot of adulation. I've learned a lot here and I love my 594, so I'm a fan too. I also just took in a stray old Soapbar II that I'm really digging and will make sure it gets a good home, whether mine or someone else's. More on that probably to come. It looks like a PRS too and plays well enough - not like a 594, not like a strat, but nothing that would be a disincentive to keeping it...
But really, isn't a little bit of good faith criticism part of what this forum is here for as well?
-Ray
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------People have short memories, or are ignorant of history. From 1990-1995, PRS made a Strat-looking, 3 single pickup, bolt-on neck, plastic pickguarded, guitar called the EG. Google it. It’s pretty much a Strat.
The concept is, therefore, 28 years old for PRS. So the “elephant” has been around for a while.
The Santana shape is a variation on the Les Paul Jr. double-cut. Take a look at both guitar shapes, Person Thinking He’s Pointing Out Elephants.
The Strat headstock was first seen on the 1948 Bigsby Merle Travis guitar. And guess what; the Les Paul body shape was ALSO first seen on the 1948 Bigsby Merle Travis guitar. Google the damn thing. Now tell me how original the world is.
What motivates anyone to claim, “OMG, I’ve just noticed something that’s upset me that no one else is talking about,” when in fact, it’s all over the freaking internet and is the subject of innumerable rants and blathers, including on this very forum, is a mystery to me.
OK, I should probably just shut up, but as a relatively new guy here, I'm genuinely curious. Did PRS include this forum on their website ONLY to allow people to gush over how much they love everything PRS does? Or did they also assume (maybe even hope) there'd be some criticism, discussion, debate? I mean, I've been on sponsored forums before and there's a certain level of just gratuitous stick in the eye kinds of posts that were frowned upon, maybe even with a thread shut down upon occasion. But there was all kinds of debate and discussion about different frames (this was a bicycle frame-maker's sponsored forum) the company offered. When someone thought they'd offered a real stinker, if the discussion was civil and didn't get into name calling, I never saw anyone object to those threads. I was pretty damn sure that company reps were looking in and taking some of the criticism as valid input. I mean, who better to listen to than some of your most devoted fans who know your product line better than a lot of retailers do?
But I've seen just a handful of negative threads (constructively negative too, I thought) here in the couple of months I've been checking out this forum and the OPs generally get ripped a new one, accused of being trolls, etc. Rather than their criticisms being taken in good faith.
I mean, if that's the rule or the culture, good to know, I guess, but I honestly don't get it. I personally don't have any problem with PRS offering guitars that look a lot like strats and Les Pauls, but I'd probably be less inclined to buy one unless I just LOVED the guitar well above and beyond what was available from the original manufacturer. I bought a 594, but I absolutely wanted a double-cut, mostly because of aesthetics - it looks completely like a PRS, not sort of like a Les Paul. I'm not interested in anyone's strat copy because to me the original is still perfect in it's imperfection. The strat is a funky guitar - sometimes you have to fight with it a little bit, but to me that's part of the experience and contributes to the feel and the sound. I want my 594 to play like a PRS but I don't want my strat to play that way! I don't have a problem with PRS offering guitars that look like strats and Les Pauls but play like PRSs, but I also don't see anything wrong with the OP expressing his lukewarm (at best) reaction to it. I don't care one way or the other but I'd be less inclined to buy one too. I mean, I like the Silver Sky well enough, but if they'd been able to come up with a design that was clearly 90% PRS and 10% strat (rather than the other way around) and still gave Mayer his preferred sound(s) and feel, that surely wouldn't have been a BAD thing, would it!?!?!?
So, is this place JUST a fan club? I mean, it's obviously that and I don't have any issue with that at all - it's inevitable and great. PRS guitars are certainly worthy of a lot of adulation. I've learned a lot here and I love my 594, so I'm a fan too. I also just took in a stray old Soapbar II that I'm really digging and will make sure it gets a good home, whether mine or someone else's. More on that probably to come. It looks like a PRS too and plays well enough - not like a 594, not like a strat, but nothing that would be a disincentive to keeping it...
But really, isn't a little bit of good faith criticism part of what this forum is here for as well?
-Ray
Now PRS just seems to be acting like an arrogant jerk on a playground by saying..." hey man I can build a better one than you ".....I mean it's just childish and petty, and I lost a lot of respect for them because of it.
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Travis and Bigsby were good friends. Both were extremely eccentric and liked to partake of some serious libations on a regular basis. Travis was also an excellent amateur artist. This guitar came about when they were out drinking one night and Travis sketched it on the back of a placemat. Looks familiar in a couple of ways, at least to my eyes.
Bigsby presented this guitar to Travis on May 24, 1948. He made 22 more for a total of 23, then just stopped and went on to something else.
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