The Amp/Pedal Match/Mismatch Thing.

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I don't know if I'm alone re: this topic, so I'm tossing it out for a lively discussion.

I often read posts about this or that gain or dirt pedal being so great or so terrible, etc. But there's rarely any context given, just conclusory opinions.

I think pedals match up well with some amps and not others, and that context is terribly important. To say, for example, that a Tube Screamer sucks isn't helpful. Of course it sucks - with some amps. With others, it's magic.

There are frequency response/transparency matches and mismatches that make some pedals sound wonderful with some amps, and terrible with others. I have four amps, all different-sounding. And on my board there's a different gain pedal for each of 'em.

I realize that's kind of a costly way to go, but it's what works here in Studio Craptastic.

I've been doing things this way since the late '90s.

For example, I'm using a transparent boost with the HXDA, but it has a trick up its sleeve: Holding down the switch for a few seconds engages a mid-frequency boost to help solos cut even more. It's a nice combination. The amp's distortion texture always works for me and doesn't need the help of a dirt pedal. The pedal doesn't add its own dirt, it simply pushes the amp over the edge and adds a subtle sparkle.

The DG30 likes a pedal with a more dirt on tap, but it needs transparency in the mids combined with a high frequency lift.

With the Lone Star, I use an "edge of breakup" pedal on the clean channel to push it over the top. The frequency response is more even. The lead channel doesn't work as well, so I rarely use it. A Klon style pedal I have with a little dirt dialed in works nicely in situations when I want more dirt. As it happens, my son uses a Klon I got him as a birthday present several years ago with his Lone Star, too.

The Klon style pedal is killer with the Fillmore at any setting on the pedal. A great match. My strong feeling is that a Klon works best with amps based on Fender designs and variations.

I've only ever had one pedal that seemed to work with any amp, a Mesa tube-driven V-Twin. But it was an extraordinarily versatile pedal, and I've never found anything else quite like it.
 
In my experience gain pedals tend to be more amp picky than modulation devices.
The DG 30 loves a bit of clean boost and a dash of dirt . The Blue Sierra doesn't need any gain pedals , you want dirt ..bump the pre amp a nudge and it's all there.
 
I'm mostly using Cornish SS-3 and/or a modded DOD 250 variant, with S-type guitars, and into an amp where there's already some break-up going on e.g. TR Akoya and LTD, Groove Tubes STP-G, or (Zinky era) Fender Tone-Master. These pedals together would probably work with the Boogie MkIIA, but I've only run the SS-3 with it so far.

I've started a small collection of 250-type pedals, and found that they're similar enough that I can use them fairly interchangeably. The JHS Overdrive Preamp is working particularly well, as is the Analogman-modded JYM 308. Loophole Grey Matter clearly needs more learning on my part, as I've not yet got as comfortable with it as I have with the others. I've also started using some clones of an SS-2 and of the AM-modded 250, and they're showing early promise.


The Cornish SS-3 itself has something in common with these, especially with the Germanium side of the various modded 250s I've got, but it's clearly a more evolved design that has its own thing going on. Into a Hiwatt, it really only starts happening at serious volume levels, hence the Aracom (or Suhr RL into a slave amp).



In terms of mismatch, it's clear that these pedals don't really give their best with any of the amps I've tried so far, if those amps are running totally clean. Some grain (or quite a lot, even) is what's required.
 
I too have found some pedals mate better with some amps (it's usually a mids content thing; more pedal mids = sounds better with amps with a mid scoop, for example). BUT I have also found where the amp volume is set can matter greatly. For example, my Fulldrive 2 (pre mosfet version) doesn't sound great into a low-watt amp not turned up, however it's glorious into an amp at gig (or even "loud home") volume.

I have found the mating issue with dirt pedals and guitars also, but it's far less drastic than the pedal/amp relationship.
 
I still like the Echoplex preamp in front of most amps. That seems to be one that works.
I loved the preamp of my Fulltone Tube Tape Echo in front of certain amps - the delay could be switched off for that purpose. It was a clone of the original Echoplex tube model.

I had an EP booster that I liked a lot, and then didn't. Something about the texture bugged me; it sounded very 'transistor' for lack of a better word.

But there are other Echoplex tone stomp boxes out there, I've only tried one of them.
 
I loved the preamp of my Fulltone Tube Tape Echo in front of certain amps - the delay could be switched off for that purpose. It was a clone of the original Echoplex tube model.

I had an EP booster that I liked a lot, and then didn't. Something about the texture bugged me; it sounded very 'transistor' for lack of a better word.

But there are other Echoplex tone stomp boxes out there, I've only tried one of them.
I have the Catalinbread version. It works well for me, but I am not recording (though my 7 year old wants her Taylor Swift moment)
 
I'm an odd duck. I dislike most all dirt pedals. I just don't care for how they change the feel of the amp and most of the time I hate the tones.

A couple of exceptions.......boss blues driver with OD set really low works with hdrx20

Wampler pinnacle deluxe with my marshall class 5 IF I run OD around 75% and guitar volume pot set at roughly 50%. This gets really nice tones.

I bought the horsemeat a while back and I do not like it.

I'm learning that the 2k-3k frequencies are offensive to my ears and is probably why my weber attenuator works well. It has 2 levels of high cut and I must use them to tame the harshness.

Maybe i should go back to using crappy guitar cables ??? Lol
 
My Mesa MKV is the least pedal friendly amp I own ( gain pedals ) , but it has 3 channels and really doesn't need more gain , I have recently found the J Rocket Melody pedal does some fun things and a Klon can sound nice. the way Mesas ( Marks anyway ) make gain in the preamp stage is likely why.
Now I also have a HDRX20 that loves pedals :) pretty much anything sounds cool and my Orange OR15 can go ether way depending on how you set the amp up run it clean and it can be really cool very forward and direct ( in your face ) loves single coils of humbuckers rolled off , dial the gain in and its just crazy the orange doesn't do subtle :)
The PRS Horsemeat is a really fun pedal :)
another couple I dig is the above mentioned J Rocket Melody and the MXR Duke of Tone
 
Totally agree. I had a handful of pedals that I sold after I let a friend wrestle my Vibrolux (reissue) from me, because they only matched well with that amp.

My Tumnus sounds incredible with the '66 Super, even strictly running it as the lone source of breakup and not pushing the amp much. Which isn't usually the case, I use it as a boost in many applications, but rarely as a stand alone drive.

Lately I've got 3 drive pedals that I'm digging with the DGT15. The Bogner Wessex, which I've long been a fan of that pedal, it has a soft and velvety top end yet never sounds muddy. Fender MTG Distortion, which is a massively under-the-radar pedal, probably in part because it's more of an overdrive, but so nice for edge of breakup sounds up through mid gain, extremely flexible EQ, and a combination gain and output boost... what's not to like? The last, I recently put on the board for the DGT15 as a whim, but it is sounding excellent - SVI Sound Overzoid. Had been sitting on the shelf for a while, so I dusted it off last week. I'd say it's sort of a Klon sound, but a tiny bit less mid push and more sparkle. It's a little stiffer than the other two drives on the board, good for punchier tones.

The DGT15 is such a great amp for (the right) pedals. DG himself says it's a black panel sound... I would mildly disagree, I hear more midrange and a less overwhelming bottom, but that's what makes those pedals sound great with it.
 
I'm finding my pedal board works well with most Fenders
Which is my preferred amps
I love the Fender cleans some fenders like a little more some a little less but I am in the ballpark
Not the same with my Marshall clone
 
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I just posted about my experience with a Bugera V22 all tube amp. In my opinion, I like the pure tube gain with my Zach Myers SE and this amp better than any pedal I have tried ever! My favorite pedal has been the EVH 5150 OD, but I feel like the ZM straight into the Bugera sounds better!!
 
My Mesa MKV is the least pedal friendly amp I own ( gain pedals ) , but it has 3 channels and really doesn't need more gain , I have recently found the J Rocket Melody pedal does some fun things and a Klon can sound nice. the way Mesas ( Marks anyway ) make gain in the preamp stage is likely why.
I originally got into clean boosts because my Mesas (including my former Mark V) didn’t seem to be pedal friendly. But they work well with something like the Suhr Kokoboost.

However, Pettyjohn came out with the Edge pedal - a low gain “edge of breakup” pedal. I use it with the Lone Star’s clean channel. First pedal I ever liked with that amp. The Mk V clean channel is based on the Lone Star, so if you can find one, it’s a nice match perhaps.

They don’t make it currently, sadly. All their stuff is limited runs.
 
I have found that HOW you run your amps is more important than the amp itself. My main dirt pedals are:
- Menatone King of the Britains (4 knob)
- Menatone Red Snapper (bigger box 4 knob)
- Barber Direct Drive (original)
- Keeley D&M Drive
- Fulltone Plimsoul
- ARC Klone

They all worked with any amp I've tried with the amp set clean. Obviously they sound more scooped with my Tone King Comet (Fender-ish) than my Tone King Majesty (JTM45-ish), but they add the same stuff to each. I had a Bad Cat for a couple of gigs, and they worked exactly the same with it!

Now, where I really need to start twisting knobs, and making swap decisions are with the amps set for overdrive. The Red Snapper and Klone really separate themselves here, with the ability to act more like a treble boost. The Red Snapper has a Bite and a Cut knob that really work well to tailor the boosting frequencies, and the Klone just has this ability to make every amp sound "bigger" when used in a boosting capacity. The others have very limited value into already dirty amps.
 
I find the CAD Sewell amps to prefer high Masters and dial in the pre to suit your warmth requirements.
I run all my amps clean and use pedals for dirt , everything gets at least a 3db bump in the mids from my Xotic super sweet , it seems to just wake up any amp without altering the basic stack.

Some guitars like different amps better , some amps take anything with a smile .
 
I have found that HOW you run your amps is more important than the amp itself.

I think the amp itself is important, but I ALSO agree that how you run them is equally important!

I set my amps up so they sound the way I want with the guitar volume around 6, and the tone around 7-8 (I keep the tone a little hotter in my studio because the room is heavily carpeted and tends to absorb higher frequencies. I vary it if I'm playing somewhere else).

Then I run the amps with just enough gain to break up when the volume control on the guitar is turned up, or by hitting a pedal, or both. So I run the amps a little hotter. That way, I can increase the dirt and truly overdrive the amp with pedals, and I can also use the guitar's volume and tone controls to push the amp in various ways. For me the magic is how an overdrive pedal affects the unique tone of each amp.

Most of my favorite session players do similar things (and in fact they taught me this in the early '90s when I first got into the biz).

I don't really love the sound of pedals into a clean amp. It winds up sounding like a transistor pedal, only louder.

That can be a personal thing, and whatever works for someone else, works. I have absolutely no problem with how anyone else gets their choice of audio, and only wanted to share my thinking. So the above is not a prescription, it's a description!

I find the CAD Sewell amps to prefer high Masters and dial in the pre to suit your warmth requirements.
I tend to agree; they're well made to take advantage of the power tubes AND the preamp tubes.
 
I have a pretty sizable collection of drive pedals. That is one thing I am pretty picky about. I have definitely found that some pair up better with some of my amps much better than others. I hear a lot of difference in the midrange areas with different amps. I have one pedal that I absolutely was regretting buying and couldn't get it to sound good with any of my amps, until I put it in front of my Mesa Roadster. It paired really well with that amp. I have a number of other drive pedal that I have not liked in front of that amp but this particular pedal just sounds really good with it. In front of my other amps the drive sounds harsh and grainy to me. It is nothing like that through the Roadster.
 
I feel like if I was knowledgeable to even the slightest degree I wouldn't have a pile of amps I used to own or a pile of ID pedals I still own and don't like.

Ugh
If ever there was a player who'd benefit from working with an amplifier builder to develop something very specific, you might be that guy.

The question is whether or not that's somehow doable without having to sell your house to fund the project! 😄
 
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