Testing my new PRS 2 Channel Custom 20 Amp Against the Archon 50

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So after debating on which amp would be the best choice for me the last several weeks, I decided on a the 2 Channel Custom 20. Here she is.

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It came down to the Archon or this Custom 20. I ultimately decided on this amp because I play out so much and when I used to play through a Hot Rod Deluxe, I swore I would never again own an amp that didn't have a boost pedal. I can get pretty much any effect I want from a pedal and sweeten up a Hot Rod enough to my liking but trying to get a proper boost can be a drag some nights (most nights). I would go from pedal to pedal and the boost would always slightly change the signal. I could deal with that though. Where it drives me insane is those nights when the rest of the band is turning up their instruments or jacking with the mix. Every time I adjust my amp or when they adjust their sound, I have to figure out the new level for the boost to be perfect for the next solo. Sometimes you hit it and it's a hair too loud and sometimes just a little too quiet. It gets frustrating to focus on such a silly thing when you have so many other things to think about while on the stage.

So after listening to what few video comparisons I could, I reasoned the Custom 20 should do the trick and I ordered it. After getting the amp and playing non-stop on it the first day (and already feeling extremely delighted), my best pal, who works at a music store, calls me and tells me he has a brand new Archon 50 head that he can get me for $850 (a rep he deals with and knows well). I ask why in the world he's not buying it, being the big PRS fan he is - and he tells me he's been playing out with it for the last month and there's only one thing that drives him crazy.... It doesn't have a boost and he loves that feature! I had to laugh and I then told him about my new amp and why I purchased it. He asked me to bring it by the practice room that evening.

We plugged them in side by side and played for the next couple hours, swapping out guitars and changing settings non-stop. When all was said and done, we both agreed that the Custom amp was the better one for playing live - just because we love that darned foot switch so much more! A separate boost for both the clean and gain is priceless when playing out (why in the world didn't they add this to the Archon?!)!

By comparison, they are nearly identical in sound. The Archon has a little bit bigger balls when the gain is full up but outside of the occasional 80s Van Halen/Scorpions/Ozzy song, we neither one keep that dial full on like that anyway. We were also going completely dry for our tests and any amount of gain is easily attainable with your favorite pedal (quite frankly, a compression pedal is probably all I'll use because I can't imagine the gain on either amp not being enough). We were actually both quite surprised at how much they sounded alike outside of this. He loved the extra reverb on the Custom as well (something the Archon doesn't have) and again, that's easily attainable in a pedal but it's one less I'll have to have. The cleans were nearly identical but we did both notice that it's hard to get the Archon to break up on the clean channel without going beyond the level you would have it even at a club (assuming you're micing your amp). They both sparkle in tone though. Add a Wampler Tape Echo and you'll have the clean sound of your dreams on either amp.

In driving out to his place, I was half-contemplating sending the Custom 20 back to Sweetwater and getting the Archon for the amazing price he was offering it to me at. After playing both though, I feel I have the perfect amp and it's worth a few more dollars to me. The Archon is still an equally amazing amp though and you really can't go wrong with either. It just kind of comes down to personal preference, as always. These amps sound so good that if you had to travel out of town for a gig and realized you forgot your entire pedal board, you would still enjoy playing the whole set list. I haven't found many amps I could honestly say that about!
 
How long ago did you get that amp from Sweetwater? Crazy, but that might very well be the Custom 20 that I returned to Sweetwater depending on when you bought it! I had bought the last limited Plum & Fawn Custom 20 they had in stock, but returned it back in mid August...are the last 3 of the Serial # 474 by any chance?!?


Anyway, that amp is fantastic, but I ended up going with the Limited Plum Archon 25. I thought I'd miss the boost too and thought it was crazy that they didn't include it on the Archon, but turns out I don't miss it. (I am kind of using my MojoMojo pedal as a boost right now while I await the arrival of my Port City Salem Boost pedal.) Same with the reverb...I do have a Hall of Fame Mini though so that's probably why I don't miss it in the amp.


I wanted to run my delay, reverb, and chorus pedals thru the effects loop but found the one on the Custom 20 was "glitchy" - that was another reason I returned mine. The loop on my Archon 25 seems fine so I am running those pedals thru the loop now. Both are extremely "pedal-friendly" in front!


I do think the Limited Custom 20 is slightly better looking than the Limited Archon 25 with the Fawn faceplate, but the Archon 25 has grown on me.


Congrats on a great amp - there are a ton of tones in there!
 
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Gorgeous amp, and they sound great...

i enjoyed your your comparison review!
 
Very well done and real world descriptive comparison test.

If I were in the market for a combo, the Custom would be my choice based on the Boost and Reverb features too.

Thanks for sharing~!
 
How long ago did you get that amp from Sweetwater? Crazy, but that might very well be the Custom 20 that I returned to Sweetwater depending on when you bought it! I had bought the last limited Plum & Fawn Custom 20 they had in stock, but returned it back in mid August...are the last 3 of the Serial # 474 by any chance?!?


Anyway, that amp is fantastic, but I ended up going with the Limited Plum Archon 25. I thought I'd miss the boost too and thought it was crazy that they didn't include it on the Archon, but turns out I don't miss it. (I am kind of using my MojoMojo pedal as a boost right now while I await the arrival of my Port City Salem Boost pedal.) Same with the reverb...I do have a Hall of Fame Mini though so that's probably why I don't miss it in the amp.


I wanted to run my delay, reverb, and chorus pedals thru the effects loop but found the one on the Custom 20 was "glitchy" - that was another reason I returned mine. The loop on my Archon 25 seems fine so I am running those pedals thru the loop now. Both are extremely "pedal-friendly" in front!


I do think the Limited Custom 20 is slightly better looking than the Limited Archon 25 with the Fawn faceplate, but the Archon 25 has grown on me.


Congrats on a great amp - there are a ton of tones in there!

Nope... mine ends in 95. I'm pretty sure yours was the one that went on sale as a demo when I was buying though, for $150 off the normal price. It showed up on the site the day I purchased mine and I was back and forth on if I should do it or not. I always get nervous it was some demo that kicked around or knocked over in a store or something so I talked myself out of it.

Interesting to hear about the effects loop issue you had. I don't really see myself using that so it likely won't affect me but I appreciate hearing of any potential issue I might run into down the road.

I do need to thank you though. I was reading the forums before I purchased and read your review of the MojoMojo and how much you liked it. Even though I didn't really need another pedal, I liked the idea of hitting the clean with it to add a little bit of stank without getting too dirty. At only $50 (an absurd price for a new pedal). I threw it on the order last minute since it was so cheap and I love this pedal! Every overdrive pedal I've ever owned had been over powering but not this one. It's smooth and warm and it actually responds perfectly when dialing back the volume on the guitar! Just a great pedal all the way around.

The only thing I'll be returning is the Carbon Copy delay (I love MXR pedals usually and wanted to go a bit smaller). For so many 5 star Amazon reviews, I was shocked when comparing this to the Wampler Tape Echo. I mean it doesn't even come close. It does cleans good but forget it on any solo and I got to have that.

Anyway... congrats on your new amp too. As I said, you can really go wrong with either and it sounds like we both did very well! Enjoyment for years to come!
 
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Aw man, I always go for the demo, if the store has a good return policy (e.g. Sweetwater).
 
I have the same combo with the plum/maple fascia. With the mid knob pulled out it has a crunch tone that just makes you smile.
Congrats!
 
Nope... mine ends in 95. I'm pretty sure yours was the one that went on sale as a demo when I was buying though, for $150 off the normal price. It showed up on the site the day I purchased mine and I was back and forth on if I should do it or not. I always get nervous it was some demo that kicked around or knocked over in a store or something so I talked myself out of it.

Interesting to hear about the effects loop issue you had. I don't really see myself using that so it likely won't affect me but I appreciate hearing of any potential issue I might run into down the road.


Good to hear...I didn't realize there was one on there as a Demo...that's probably my return. I checked the link you posted - still $94 more than I paid (but I did buy it with a PRS guitar at the same time so got a pretty good deal.) Looks like they're in stock there as well - after I bought mine originally it switched to not in stock so they must've gotten a few more or something...glad you were able to get one! (Or maybe I'm crazy and it's the Plum Archon they ran out of after I ordered...I'm not sure now! Oh well...)


After hearing the loop in my Archon, I'm thinking there might have been a problem with the loop on the Custom 20 - it was that bad sounding...the Custom's loop was noisy too where the Archon's loop is silent, so that also makes me think maybe something was up with the loop in the one I returned. I would think your loop would be fine if you ever end up using it.


Glad to hear you like the MojoMojo as well...I was extremely happy with it for $49! It is one of the best overdrive pedals I've heard and for the price it's an absolute winner IMO. It's clean enough that I'm able to use it as a boost until my Salem boost gets here - then that'll be my boost pedal and the MojoMojo will go back to being my overdrive sound. (I'm a Clean / Overdrive / Distortion guy so the MjMj will be the Overdrive and the amp's Lead channel is the Distortion) I'm thinking of picking up one of the t.c. Dark Matter pedals since they're $49 now too since I'm so happy with the MjMj...just to play with.


The only bad thing I see is that I now want some kind of purple PRS to go with my amp!
 
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Aw man, I always go for the demo, if the store has a good return policy (e.g. Sweetwater).

Yeah.. after getting the amp and opening the box and seeing how poorly a new one is packaged, I found myself wishing I had bought the demo. You're right.. with the return policy they have, I should have. Oh well.. :)
 
After hearing the loop in my Archon, I'm thinking there might have been a problem with the loop on the Custom 20 - it was that bad sounding...the Custom's loop was noisy too where the Archon's loop is silent, so that also makes me think maybe something was up with the loop in the one I returned. I would think your loop would be fine if you ever end up using it.
That was the only reason I didn't buy the demo. I kind of pieced together that it might be yours from reading the forum and I remember you making mention of it. Even though Sweetwater has a superb return policy, I was thinking "would I even know if there was something wrong with that particular amp that made it a bit louder than normal? What would have to compare it against?"

I might throw something in the loop now just to test as I'm curious!

Now how the hell did you get that so cheap? Should I be bargaining when I buy at Sweetwater? I dropped $3000 on the purchase (got a REALLY nice Shure in-ear monitor system).
 
I have the same combo with the plum/maple fascia. With the mid knob pulled out it has a crunch tone that just makes you smile.
Congrats!

Thanks, Fro. I like pulling that Presence knob too. It really thickens it up! Congrats to you too.
 
Now how the hell did you get that so cheap? Should I be bargaining when I buy at Sweetwater? I dropped $3000 on the purchase (got a REALLY nice Shure in-ear monitor system).

EDIT: (took out pricing in case we're not supposed to show prices?!?)

Just now looking back on the PDF of my invoice, I got two S2's at the same time - he threw in two On-Stage A-frame stands and 2 packs strings for free. I always ask "what's the best price I can get?" but it doesn't always work! I do know they can wheel & deal a bit more if you're buying more than one thing because of the shipping savings, but I couldn't say exactly why I got it for that cheap...it was the big reason I went ahead and got it...I was on the fence until he told me I could get it for that price. I was assuming that since my order was a high total Sweetwater was able to take more off... with your's being a pretty high total too, hopefully you got some kind of discount. I got a bit of a break off of the price for my Archon 25 too but not as much, of course it's less expensive than the Custom 20 to begin with.


The good thing is that even at full retail, the amp is so worth it!!
 
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Yeah.. after getting the amp and opening the box and seeing how poorly a new one is packaged, I found myself wishing I had bought the demo. You're right.. with the return policy they have, I should have. Oh well.. :)

??? All of my PRS amps and cabs have come completely encased in the same kind of foam padding, top, bottom and all sides, that Mesa amps come with. The boxes are very secure and beautifully padded. And in addition, the amps and cabs have been carefully wrapped in thick poly.

Someone must have opened yours up and re-boxed it wrong - clearly!!!
 
??? All of my PRS amps and cabs have come completely encased in the same kind of foam padding, top, bottom and all sides, that Mesa amps come with. The boxes are very secure and beautifully padded. And in addition, the amps and cabs have been carefully wrapped in thick poly.


Yeah, I agree...my Custom 20 and Archon 25 were both boxed/packaged very well I thought with the big, thick foam "shaped pieces". Come to think of it, my Custom 50 head and "30" head were packed as well back when I got them.


Is it possible yours was previously opened I wonder? Anyway, as long as you give it a good going over and everything seems fine I'd imagine it's all good.
 
??? All of my PRS amps and cabs have come completely encased in the same kind of foam padding, top, bottom and all sides, that Mesa amps come with. The boxes are very secure and beautifully padded. And in addition, the amps and cabs have been carefully wrapped in thick poly.

Someone must have opened yours up and re-boxed it wrong - clearly!!!

I absolutely wondered that myself. My very first thought was "Darn.. I guess I should have bought that demo because it appears I got one anyway." I went out to the site to see if the other demo was still there (which it was).

Don't get me wrong.. the foam padding was all in place and looked nice.. but the box was torn at all the corners and the packing tape didn't look like the original to me. It was kind of wrinkled up and not done real well... and then, on opening, I had to take a picture of what the footswitch and cords were wrapped in because it just did not look like what a new amp should be packed in (maybe I'm wrong? Can someone confirm?) They look like big ziplock bags and the cord ran out of the footswitch bag into another ziplock looking back, so neither one was fully sealed. It just looked like how I would pack it if I was going to sell it on Ebay. :(

Here's the 2 pics I took on immediately unboxing.

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The zip lock bags were how both my Custom 20 and Archon were...don't remember on the older amps. I think Sweetwater always opens everything to make sure it's ok before they ship, because even the PRS box had been opened and re-taped on both of mine. The outer box has Sweetwater logo tape though. Mine had the thick bubble wrap stuff (like that comes inside the PRS guitar boxes) inside in addition to the black foam pieces.

Was your PRS box inside an outer box? Mine was.
 
??? All of my PRS amps and cabs have come completely encased in the same kind of foam padding, top, bottom and all sides, that Mesa amps come with. The boxes are very secure and beautifully padded. And in addition, the amps and cabs have been carefully wrapped in thick poly.

Someone must have opened yours up and re-boxed it wrong - clearly!!!

This! Honestly, I was shocked at how well mine was packaged. I even uttered a couple of expletives when I opened the box. Much better than my MkV and an old Genz Benz I had.
 
The zip lock bags were how both my Custom 20 and Archon were...don't remember on the older amps. I think Sweetwater always opens everything to make sure it's ok before they ship, because even the PRS box had been opened and re-taped on both of mine. The outer box has Sweetwater logo tape though. Mine had the thick bubble wrap stuff (like that comes inside the PRS guitar boxes) inside in addition to the black foam pieces.

Was your PRS box inside an outer box? Mine was.

Ah.. well that must have been what it was then. It was Sweetwater packing tape too. Only one box though... just the PRS. Don't get me wrong guys. It was secure. It just looked like it had been opened but if what Mapleleaf says about them checking it is true, that would explain it. I was just originally worried it might have been a demo (they should include a note in the box explaining that it was unpacked and why though so people don't wonder when they see that). I only wished I had asked for a discount like you did though. :) I didn't get any for all I bought. I also don't get the cool PRS 30th Anniversary shirt. Thought I qualified so was trying to make my purchase in August for that and apparently that's just for the Archon. Did you get your free shirt and amp cover?
 
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Did you get your free shirt and amp cover?

Not yet, but it's only been about a week & a half since I sent the stuff in. I'm actually still waiting on my shirt and 12 sets of strings from buying one of the 30th Ann. guitars too and that's been about a month.


Come to think of it, my box might've been double boxed because I think each time I had something else ordered along with it and they probably did that to include the other stuff.


Also...you probably already did, but make sure and check your speaker ohm switch on the back...both my Custom 20 and Archon were on the wrong setting when I first got them!
 
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