Teetering on the brink - SE Hollowbody II Content

Go for the Piezo! Its a little dust of clarity when mixed with the mags.

I like option for tonal variety and its something that adds extra.

My .02 and you'll get a nice guitar even with out the piezo.
 
If I wanted to try out a HB and thought I might want to buy a Core…. I’d buy a used SE from Dave’s. It’ll satisfy the curiosity. If that pushes you to a Core, your immediate GAS is satisfied, you can shop for the right guitar/deal, and you’d get your money back out of the SE.
 
If I wanted to try out a HB and thought I might want to buy a Core…. I’d buy a used SE from Dave’s. It’ll satisfy the curiosity. If that pushes you to a Core, your immediate GAS is satisfied, you can shop for the right guitar/deal, and you’d get your money back out of the SE.
Hmmmmm..... Not a bad idea!
 
I've mostly talked myself down. Well, except for @RC Mike 's idea. SW is $899 for the 2023 non-piezo, which is what started all of this. I really want a 24.5-ish inch scale, fixed bridge dual humbucker guitar. That's pretty much a 245 or 594. I currently have an S2 and a core, and find them better than my now sold SE, though mostly because of the neck profiles. My SE was a custom 22 from about 2021 or so. All that kinda means no hollow body unless I run across a killer deal on a McCarty HB. Probably that means a McCarty 594 or a 245 of some sort. Or I block the trem on my Santana.............
 
I've mostly talked myself down. Well, except for @RC Mike 's idea. SW is $899 for the 2023 non-piezo, which is what started all of this. I really want a 24.5-ish inch scale, fixed bridge dual humbucker guitar. That's pretty much a 245 or 594. I currently have an S2 and a core, and find them better than my now sold SE, though mostly because of the neck profiles. My SE was a custom 22 from about 2021 or so. All that kinda means no hollow body unless I run across a killer deal on a McCarty HB. Probably that means a McCarty 594 or a 245 of some sort. Or I block the trem on my Santana.............
Or find a DC-22……
 
Or find a DC-22……
That’s interesting. I hadn’t been aware of the DC-22 until now.

Edit - one on reverb right now for $5k , doesn’t look like one of the first 25. Way too rich for me.
 
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That’s interesting. I hadn’t been aware of the DC-22 until now.

Edit - one on reverb right now for $5k , doesn’t look like one of the first 25. Way too rich for me.
That’s way over priced. Half that would be reasonable.
 
If you're in doubt, don't do it. Try it first.
I read you already talked you self out of it, but if you are back on the fence again next week, just play one first..

Also, why all the hate for the SE HB II Piezo? I was about to go buy one and scheduling my drive to the nearest PRS dealer.
 
That’s way over priced. Half that would be reasonable.
It's been listed for two years. Clearly not actually trying to sell it. My buy limit seems to be +/- $1500 to 1700. I'm finding my S2 Studio to be my most comfortable between it and my Santana III. I like the Santana neck, but if I'm being honest, the Pattern (I think) neck on the S2 is pretty darned comfortable. Part of me is really interested in the separate tone and volume controls for front and back as the McCarty's have. The rest of me thinks one or two extra knobs may be one or two too many. The more I play, the less concerned I am between 24.5-ish and 25" scale. I think I'll stay with what I have for a while, and maybe experiment with blocking the trem on the Santana, or not. Both have rock solid tuning if I don't use the trem, and pretty solid if I do use the trem, unless I go nuts with it. So, tentative wish list is Les Paul made by PRS, or a hollow body version of it - McCarty 594, 245, hollow body McCarty, DC-22 maybe... Leaving room for something else, basically 25" scale being OK. Pattern to Santana neck carve seems like the range. I haven't played a 25.5 inch scale in a while. I don't recall liking it as much. That's all I got for now!
 
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If you're in doubt, don't do it. Try it first.
I read you already talked you self out of it, but if you are back on the fence again next week, just play one first..

Also, why all the hate for the SE HB II Piezo? I was about to go buy one and scheduling my drive to the nearest PRS dealer.
I got the feeling it was more of a "don't need" than hate, and even a couple of favorable opinions on the piezo. Yeah, I think I'll have to go out and try a couple of things if the NGD itch doesn't go away. The local shop closed due to retirement, so it's a couple hour drive +/- to Bananas at Large or Danville Music. GC is closer, but I just get the icks every time I go into the local ones...
 
So… I Have an SE Hollowbody II in my cart, along with a set of locking tuners. Reasons:
1) It’s light
2) fixed bridge
3) I think it will be nice(er) to play acoustically
4) It’s a pretty killer price

Questions:
1) Should I just hold out for a used core, though at $3k or more, it’s at least twice what I want to spend.
2) I really kinda wanted a 24.5 ish scale, but the half inch shouldn’t bother my left hand much. My Santana vs my S2 studio I notice 24 frets and half a baseball bat neck more.
3) will I regret not getting piezo pickups? Price difference is at least 40%.
4) 58/15 “S” pickups?

Any other comments? It’s pretty likely I won’t do anything, but you never know.
I've owned my SE Hollowbody II Piezo for just shy a year now. My experience in regard to your questions:

1) I mean if you're always going to be itching for a core the way I used to stare at my Yamaha Pacifica wishing it were a Fender, than this Hollowbody probably won't scratch that itch. However, I'm not sure I could ever rationalize spending $5,600-7,000 on any guitar. I love my hobby, but after a certain price point, I'm not sure why I'm spending so much.

2) I have seven electrics and while I wouldn't say I struggle when switching between my 25" and 24.75," my fingers prefer 25.5." I feel more inspired when playing the longer scale length. HOWEVER, 25" is close enough to 25.5" to bridge the gap for me. I am just as happy playing my SE as I do my Strat. What will be more noticeable, in my opinion, is the "wide," aspect of the wide-fat neck, which is noticeably wider than my other guitars (Epiphone Les Pauls and Strats). The "fat," feels less chunky than my Epiphone Traditional Pro, which is a baseball bat, and probably on par with my Epiphone Les Paul Florentine, which has a "Slim Tapered D" neck. It's less round than a Strat's C shape.

3) I adore my piezo pickup, but unless you've got an acoustic amp or a an acoustic sim, you're not going to get great sounds out of it. The piezo is set too hot for an electric amp (though the pickup has a volume knob, and you can also pull out the motherboard and adjust the master piezo volume, as well). I think it's fun. I like the acoustic pluck that lives on top of my clean electric tone, and while I don't use it much, I like the option of being able to play the magnetic pickups through one amp and piezo through another. I could live without the Piezo, but I'm not sure I'd have purchased this without it. It's one of the features that make the guitar special and different when compared to my others. Is it worth 40% more of the price? If you're purchasing this guitar just because you want something feather light, no. The standard HB will give you what you're looking for. The piezo is probably worth an extra $200 or so. It's a cool feature, but if you're not looking for a piezo guitar, you don't need a piezo guitar. However, that extra 40% also gives you abalone inlays and curled maple binding, which I adore looking at.

4) I like the pickups a lot, though sometimes I feel they have a very harsh treble spike (just an observation from my own ears, I've never run through audio equipment like an oscilloscope or anything). The pickups are lower output and less mid-range than my Epiphone Probuckers and sound similar to my Squier Classic Vibe Starcaster, which almost sounds like it's voiced to bridge the gap between single coils and humbuckers. The 58/15 S are very responsive and maybe a little thinner than your standard PAF. They take to overdrive very well.
 
Oh also, I just checked Proaudiostar and they're selling open box Piezos for $1200. You may be able to call them Tuesday and talk a new down to $1300.

Also, if you're shopping Sweetwater, I've been able to successfully request a discount on every guitar I've purchased from them.
 
@tdroid My only experience with Pro Audio Star was a UA open box pedal that appeared brand new from what I could see. Thanks for your detailed post, and for the idea to request a discount from SW. I buy most of my new stuff from SW. Used stuff I'm happier with local purchases.
 
As I Have Always Said In The Past...Hold Out For The Good Stuff That You Really Want. Compromise Is Costly In The Overall Scheme Of Things. Buy Right, Buy Once.

The Acoustic Sound On The Kemper Is A Great Suggestion By The Way.

Go Private Stock And Be Done With It. I Know...That Is Expensive. How About Finding An Amazing Used Core? See What I Did There And How Much Money I Saved You? ;)
Agree with the first paragraph. Don’t know about the second paragraph. Can’t afford the third paragraph.
 
Agree with the first paragraph. Don’t know about the second paragraph. Can’t afford the third paragraph.
Those Private Stock Prices Make The Core Prices Appear To Be Great Deals...LOL. It Is All In How You Spin It...I Know...TWSS! :)
 
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