Phase ii Locking Tuners not smooth when turning (brand new CE24)

I Hear Ya Man...I Was Just Making A Blanket Statement. Financials Always Matter And Of Course You Have To Work Within The Parameters That You Have. Bummer That It Seems To Be Such A Tough Situation. Buying A Guitar Should Fun And Pain Free And It Seems Like This Situation Is Everything But That. I Hope You Get It Sorted And Can End Up Being CompletelY Satisfied With Everything. :)
I feel you, and I honestly really appreciate your input and honest opinion!

You guys on this forum have kept me sane throughout this whole insane ordeal and I appreciate the help, wisdom, and honesty I get from all of you guys on here 🙏🏼

I kinda wish I hadn't pinned myself into having to go through a specific dealer lol. I guess it's too late now and I gotta work with my situation though.

If Sweetwater can't get and cover PRS replacement parts and all of the needed repairs and replacements, then I'm definitely just biting the bullet and returning the guitar haha 😅

But I'm hoping it'll be able to be worked out because when the action was high as hell, and before I lowered the action and relief and discovered the buzzing and low cut nut slots, the guitar played really great and it sounded killer. And it looks killer as well haha 😎

If replacement nut with freshly cut nut slots and a few new tuners can revive the guitar and restore it to its original glory, then I'm thinking it might be worth a shot to save the hassle that returning it would bring 😀🤞🏼🤞🏼

And if they knock off some of the price as well, the the discount with the free repairs and replacements might be a great deal! I'm hoping they'll be willing to because I paid full price for what was supposed to be a mint condition brand new guitar and it arrived with a little dent and a few noticeable scratches 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
And if they knock off some of the price as well, the the discount with the free repairs and replacements might be a great deal! I'm hoping they'll be willing to because I paid full price for what was supposed to be a mint condition brand new guitar and it arrived with a little dent and a few noticeable scratches 🤦🏻‍♂️
This Is The Part I Am Having. Hard Time With...

I Am Surprised This Hasn't Been Discussed/Offered Already. Additionally, If The Guitar Has A Ding/Damage On Top Of The Other issues I Am Surprised You Are So Willing To Keep It If A Return Or Exchange For A Different Guitar Is Possible. I Know You Say You Like The Color But Who Is To Say Something Just As Good Or Better Isn't In The Pipeline That You May Love And Without Having The Issues This One Has? Maybe I Am Too Picky But Full Pop For Anything Less Than Relative Perfection (Feature And Build Wise, Cosmetics, Etc) Is A No Go For Me. I Say All This Due To Having A Bad Experience Myself And For A Long Time I Owned The Most Expensive Door Stop In The World. Never Again.
 
This Is The Part I Am Having. Hard Time With...

I Am Surprised This Hasn't Been Discussed/Offered Already. Additionally, If The Guitar Has A Ding/Damage On Top Of The Other issues I Am Surprised You Are So Willing To Keep It If A Return Or Exchange For A Different Guitar Is Possible. I Know You Say You Like The Color But Who Is To Say Something Just As Good Or Better Isn't In The Pipeline That You May Love And Without Having The Issues This One Has? Maybe I Am Too Picky But Full Pop For Anything Less Than Relative Perfection (Feature And Build Wise, Cosmetics, Etc) Is A No Go For Me. I Say All This Due To Having A Bad Experience Myself And For A Long Time I Owned The Most Expensive Door Stop In The World. Never Again.
To be honest, I hadn't talked to Sweetwaters Guitar Support department yet so my rep didn't really know what they'd do and just gave me a few possibilities of what he thought they might do.

I definitely am not happy with the ding it came with but the little scratch it came with can probably be buffed out and i'm sure i'll add a ton of scratches pretty quick anyways lol I was more not happy with the ding on the back bottom edge and what looks like some bubbling under the finish in an area but that's not really noticeable unless i'm looking super close.

If Sweetwater wasn't willing to do a discount for the cosmetic defects and wasn't willing to fix the other issues and replace what's needed to be replaced, I would just return it to be honest.

When I finally talked to the guitar support guy, he ended up being really apologetic about the guitar arriving like that and they offered a few options to choose from for recourse.

The first thing he did was offer 5% off per cosmetic issue it arrived with so if I keep it after they fix the issues I'll get 15% off. And they're offering to fully replace the tuners and nut with the same prs parts and give it a new setup again for no charge.

I'm thinking of doing it that way because if I don't end up liking it after I get it back from Sweetwater this time, I'll still be able to return or exchange it and if I have to do that then by that point hopefully there will be some more guitars that got stocked giving some more options for an exchange 😊
 
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Just an update for everyone!

Sweetwaters guitar support got in touch with me shortly after my rep filed a claim about my guitar arriving with all of the issues I had mentioned.

They were super apologetic and were pretty determined to make it right, so that was nice. I was expecting to have to push for anything to be done but they're really eager to get the issues fixed or to get a new guitar that I'm happy with out to me asap.

They offered to do a full checkup and diagnostic on the guitar, and check for any other issues. They'll check the neck pocket for cracks or if it's too tight and if it is then they'll address that. They'll replace the tuners and nut and anything else that's needed, with the exact same prs parts, for no charge. And they'll file the nut for the 11-56 gauge strings I use. A

And if I took that route, and I like the guitar and everything when I get the guitar back from Sweetwater and I want to keep it, they'll give me an extra 15% off.

And if I don't want to keep it after I get it back, I'll be able to still exchange or return the guitar. And if that ends up happening then hopefully more guitars will have been stocked by then and I'll have some more options for an exchange.

Or they offered to cover the parts and repairs if I wanted to get the replacements and repairs done by a local Luthier that I trust.

I'm thinking of taking the first option so I'll be giving them a chance to revive the guitar to its former glory before they cut the nut slots too low and ruined the playability lol. And if it's awesome when I get it back like I'm expecting, then I'll have gotten a great guitar for a big discount and some headache lol.

And if it ends up sucking, then I can exchange it and I'll hopefully have some more options to exchange for at that point 😀

I think it's a win-win!

What do you guys think??
 
Hi Everyone, I just got my first PRS (CE24) in the last few weeks and I noticed that the tuning peg for the A string doesn't turn smoothly when i'm turning the tuning peg. It almost feels like there's a clicking/pinging feeling or something slipping happening inside of the tuning peg or something because when I turn the tuning peg, there's this rough pinging feeling every once in a while. It feels like it's coming from in the tuner where the gear is, like the gear is catching while it's turning or something like that.

I tried loosening and tightening the screw for the tuning peg and it hasn't helped.

Do I need to take the whole tuner apart and clean in out or something? Or is it damaged or faulty and needing to be replaced?

Any help would be appreciated! There are a few other minor issues with the CE24 I recently got, like the neck creaking when I pick it up and move it around, and i'm hoping they're all minor fixes because I don't want to have to return it lol 😅
Hi.
It might sound like it’s coming from a tuner, but it’s probably coming from the nut. Firstly, lubricate the nut slots.

Next, check the bridge. It bottom of the bridge must be parallel with the bottom of the strings. If it isn’t, note it and put it into a reply to me. Next, measure how high the bottom of the back of the bridge is off the top of the guitar. It should be 1/8 of an inch. Put the measurement into your reply to me.

Next, measure how high the front of the bridge is off the metal plate, just in front of the screws. Next, put an Allen key, which isn’t too long, across the 6 bridge screws at the front of the bridge. See if the Allen key is sitting on all 6 tops of the screws, and tell me whether it is touching the screws’ tops equally.

Finally, look at the Allen key and tell me if it’s straight. Send your reply with all info. I should be able to tell you the cause of the problem and how to fix it. If you can setup a guitar, you should be able to fix it. Otherwise, take it to a good repairer and the problem will be gone soon.

Cheers,
Max
 
Hi.
It might sound like it’s coming from a tuner, but it’s probably coming from the nut. Firstly, lubricate the nut slots.

Next, check the bridge. It bottom of the bridge must be parallel with the bottom of the strings. If it isn’t, note it and put it into a reply to me. Next, measure how high the bottom of the back of the bridge is off the top of the guitar. It should be 1/8 of an inch. Put the measurement into your reply to me.

Next, measure how high the front of the bridge is off the metal plate, just in front of the screws. Next, put an Allen key, which isn’t too long, across the 6 bridge screws at the front of the bridge. See if the Allen key is sitting on all 6 tops of the screws, and tell me whether it is touching the screws’ tops equally.

Finally, look at the Allen key and tell me if it’s straight. Send your reply with all info. I should be able to tell you the cause of the problem and how to fix it. If you can setup a guitar, you should be able to fix it. Otherwise, take it to a good repairer and the problem will be gone soon.

Cheers,
Max
Hey Max, I appreciate the thorough reply with a ton of super helpful tips!😀

I found that the not smooth feeling when turning the tuning pegs was caused by the actual tuners themselves after fully taking the strings off of the tuners, and the not smooth/rough dragging feeling was still there even with no strings on any of the tuners.

Then, I tried loosening and re-tightening the tuning pegs, and even loosened and re-tightened the tuning pegs, and then loosened and re-tightened the washers on the tuners themselves and that didn't help either unfortunately.

After trying all of that, I made sure the nut slots weren't cut rough and lubricated them, I made sure the bridge was evenly floating at the right height, and then I made sure the bridge screws and the saddles were sitting flat and flush with each other. After trying all of those things, I had no idea what to do or how to fix it lol 😅

The guitar had a few other issues when I got it from Sweetwater as well though. The Sweetwater tech that setup my guitar had cut the nut slots too low so the guitar was buzzing like crazy with anything lower than absurdly high action. The neck pocket creaked every once in a while when picking up or putting down the guitar. There was a pretty decent sized finish imperfection. And there was the two rough dragging tuners. So I ended up sending the guitar to the PTC and they're checking it out under warranty.

They're most likely going to replace the two rough tuners and replace the nut, and sand off and rebuff the finish imperfection if possible. Hopefully a full refinish won't be needed on top of the other stuff lol!

But genuinely, thank you for taking the time to help me out! Your advice was great because 99% of the time it's either the nut or a setup issue. So I was going crazy trying to figure out what it was, because In the past-completely re-doing the setup on any guitar has usually fixed most issues.

It took the PTC recommending I take the strings off all the way to see if it was the nut and/or setup, or if it was the tuners themselves. Unfortunately it turned out to be the tuners themselves lol I would have much rather have had all the issues just be setup issues because they're easily fixable haha!

P.S> That allen key tip is awesome because I was using something shorter to make sure the bridge screws were level, and I was having to level 3 or 4 screws at a time lol🤣
 
Hi.

Wow, that was a lot of trouble for on guitar. I have 2 PRSs with the same tuners. I don’t think they’re great tuners, but I haven’t felt the rough feeling…I’ve felt it with other tuners back in the 1980s, but tuners have advanced a lot since then. I’m very glad that you decided to send the guitar back, but I can’t believe that they didn’t offer you a new guitar. In my country, they would try to avoid giving the customer a new guitar, but the customer would kick and scream until the retailer complied.



Refinishing is a deal-breaker where I live, but it couldn’t be done by the manufacturer because we are so far away. I hope that your guitar lives up to your expectations, but if it doesn’t, make sure that you tell the retailer…they sound good. I don’t think that you would have to declare that guitar as a refinish if you ever decide to sell it, but it would be the decent thing to do. But advertise it as “Refinished by PRS”, and it probably wouldn’t affect resale. Refins are used to be inferior, but refinishing can be done perfectly these days by repairers with the right equipment. I have a refinished Les Paul which looks as good (if not better) as a new guitar from the America. Good luck.
 
I Think The Advice Given In Post #26 Was The Way To Go On This One. ;)
 
Hi.

Wow, that was a lot of trouble for on guitar. I have 2 PRSs with the same tuners. I don’t think they’re great tuners, but I haven’t felt the rough feeling…I’ve felt it with other tuners back in the 1980s, but tuners have advanced a lot since then. I’m very glad that you decided to send the guitar back, but I can’t believe that they didn’t offer you a new guitar. In my country, they would try to avoid giving the customer a new guitar, but the customer would kick and scream until the retailer complied.



Refinishing is a deal-breaker where I live, but it couldn’t be done by the manufacturer because we are so far away. I hope that your guitar lives up to your expectations, but if it doesn’t, make sure that you tell the retailer…they sound good. I don’t think that you would have to declare that guitar as a refinish if you ever decide to sell it, but it would be the decent thing to do. But advertise it as “Refinished by PRS”, and it probably wouldn’t affect resale. Refins are used to be inferior, but refinishing can be done perfectly these days by repairers with the right equipment. I have a refinished Les Paul which looks as good (if not better) as a new guitar from the America. Good luck.
I agree, it's a TON of trouble for one guitar lol 😂

Sweetwater offered to let me exchange it for another guitar but, the one I got was a one off CE24 with a black neck and headstock and when I asked my rep to look into if they'd get anymore, he let me know that Sweetwater only gets a handful of one off guitars a year and they got a bunch of CE24s with black necks/black headstocks and they aren't expecting to get anymore until possibly next year 😢

I couldn't find another guitar that I liked as much and since PRS offered to fix everything under warranty, I went that route because otherwise I'd be paying monthly payments while waiting an unknown amount of time for another one off black neck/black headstock CE24 to get in stock since I'm financing the guitar 😕

Otherwise I totally would've exchanged for another one or something lol 😅

PRS said that if the finish imperfection isn't able to be fixed by sanding and rebuffing, then we'd discuss a replacement guitar through PRS instead of Sweetwater.

They're thinking it'll be easy to buff it out so I'm not too worried but, now knowing that refinishes aren't seen as a good thing, I'm definitely wanting to avoid it.
 
I Think The Advice Given In Post #26 Was The Way To Go On This One. ;)
The guitar is already with the PTC 😉 lol

Didn't want to return the guitar and settle for another I didn't like anywhere near as much.

Or return it and wait another half year or so for another one off CE24 with a black neck/black headstock and gloss body to pop up, because I'd have to keep paying the payments in the meantime. And buying from another dealer wasn't an option due to a financing deal.

Plus, I ended up getting a ridiculously good deal on the guitar for the hassle and issues, and PRS is taking care of me so no matter what I'm gonna get a great guitar whether it's this one or a replacement. So it's a win-win! 😀 Just needed a little patience (which isn't my forte hahaha🤣)
 
The guitar is already with the PTC lol.

Didn't want to return the guitar and settle for another I didn't like anywhere near as much. Or return it and wait another half year or so for another one to pop up, because I'd have to keep paying the payments in the meantime. And buying from another dealer wasn't an option due to a financing deal.
I Hope It Works Out For You As It Sounds Like You Really Love This Particular Guitar.
 
I Hope It Works Out For You As It Sounds Like You Really Love This Particular Guitar.
Thank you, brother. I appreciate that! This has been quite the stressful ordeal 😂

It honestly was more due to the situation than me being stuck on this particular guitar.

I would've much done a straight up return but, due to the situation I didn't have the option of buying from another dealer.

And then I was going to do an exchange but the other one off like this one in one of my other posts, sold right after I found the issues with this guitar.

And Sweetwater didn't have any other CE24s with a gloss body and black neck/headstock and I'm really not into the natural headstock/neck look so I didn't want to buy a guitar I didn't like lol.

And Sweetwater doesn't have any etas for one off guitars like this one, and they only get a few scattered throughout the year.

It was just a crappy situation where I either exchanged for another guitar that was in stock when I wasn't into any of them, or take the better deal on this one and let PRS try to fix it up and if they're not able to they're gonna just replace it.

But if there was another one in stock, or if they had an eta on another one like it, I would have just exchanged the guitar lol😅
 
I understand. The CE24 is a $4,000 guitar in my country, so I would be quite annoyed. But as PRS is going to make your guitar 100%, you will be better off. FYI, I’ve changed the tremolo to a US Phase II, and I took out the 85/15 pickups and put in Duncan PAFs with resistive coil splits (they sound better). I will be changing the tuners. If you want a better tremolo, get the MannMade bridge because it’s better than the PRS. I regret doing it cheaply and not spending $400 for the MannMade. My guitar is a CE24 Swamp Ash Special with 2 humbuckers. I’m also restoring a ruined Core Mira from about 2007. I’m fitting it with custom hardware. Seymour Duncan pickups bring PRS guitars alive.
 
I'll check again when I get home in a little bit, but i'm pretty positive it's coming from the tuner.

I checked the nut slots by pulling the strings through back and forth through the nut slots when I first got the guitar, to see if they were catching or binding in the nut slots. Because I had gotten it set up at Sweetwater before they shipped it to me and after they did the setup for slightly bigger gauge strings, the strings are now buried in the nut slots. They're sitting so deep in the nut slots that the top of the strings are slightly lower than the top of the nut.

I'm actually worried they're cut too deep because when I pick the b string hard, I get a little bit of buzz. When I fret the 3rd fret, there's less clearance than on any of my other guitars. There's still a tiny space but I can barely get a .012 feeler under the high e string, and for the low e I can't tell if it's .016 or .014 because both feeler gauges fit in there but .014 looks like it might possibly have a super tiny amount of space between the string and the feeler gauge.

But I am pretty sure the pinging is coming from the tuners because it isn't a pinging sound, it's more of a pinging or catching feeling in the tuning peg as i'm tuning. It actually doesn't make any sound, it just causes a really rough pinging feeling from the tuning peg.

What can cause a tuner to feel rough or to catch inside of the tuner itself when turning the tuning peg? It's almost like something is dragging or something within the tuner itself.

It's hard to explain because it's a feeling and not a sound. The only thing I can compare it to is when I had a cheap nameless import as a kid the tuners were trash and all of them felt like that and had that same rough feeling like something was catching when i'd turn the tuning pegs and no matter what I did the feeling never went away. The tuners would always do that when i'd tune and they couldn't keep the guitar in tune for crap lol.

I don't think these tuners are poor quality, I actually love the quality of them! Now I'm just worried one of the tuners is broken or has an issue and i'm getting close to the end of the return window so if it's broken i'll end up having to deal with it or cover it myself haha 😅
Do you have feeler gauges? If so, you can check the string height, but it sounds okay. Don’t worry about the amount of string above the top if the nut. What matters is how high the bottom of the strings are above the first few frets: The height above the top of the first fret wire is the mist important. You can measure it by using an 12” or 18” steel rule place on its edge across the frets. Measure the gap between the top of the fretwire and the underside of the steel rule’s edge and that gap is your height. You can get a set of feeler gauges (aka Gap Gauges) from a hardware or automotive retailer. They are cheap, so don’t be sucked into buying “Guitar Feeler Guages” because they are the same, but they are expensive.
 
I understand. The CE24 is a $4,000 guitar in my country, so I would be quite annoyed. But as PRS is going to make your guitar 100%, you will be better off. FYI, I’ve changed the tremolo to a US Phase II, and I took out the 85/15 pickups and put in Duncan PAFs with resistive coil splits (they sound better). I will be changing the tuners. If you want a better tremolo, get the MannMade bridge because it’s better than the PRS. I regret doing it cheaply and not spending $400 for the MannMade. My guitar is a CE24 Swamp Ash Special with 2 humbuckers. I’m also restoring a ruined Core Mira from about 2007. I’m fitting it with custom hardware. Seymour Duncan pickups bring PRS guitars alive.
Damn, it's $4000 in the country you're in?! I know pricing can be different from country to country but it's more than I expected the price difference would be! It's about 25% less where i'm at(tedtan was kind enough to remind me the term I'm looking for is exchange rate). I ended up getting a discount when I first bought the guitar, and then another bigger discount for the issues and for the hassle of having to send it back in to SW or PRS to get it fixed up.

But if I hadn't gotten a good price to start then I wouldn't have been open to an additional discount with the repair/possible replacement under warranty option. Especially if it were $4000! lol 🤣 I would have demanded pure perfection if I paid that much in full!! 😂

When I first was talking to Sweetwater about the issues and the tuners specifically, they weren't able to get replacement tuners from PRS for a few months. So they offered to replace the tuners with any aftermarket tuners they had in stock that would fit.

I had heard nothing but great things about the locking tuners on the CE24s and had heard they were the phase ii locking tuners that they used to use on core models so I didn't want to go with aftermarket replacements. I didn't really like the look of the tuners they had in stock at the time, and I was worried about aftermarket tuners needing to be retrofitted. But now I'm worried I made a mistake and passed up on possbily a free upgrade for my tuners :oops:

I thought about posting about what people thought about aftermarket tuners vs the phase ii locking tuners but, I had already posted a few threads asking for everyones help at that point and I felt like I'd annoy everyone if I posted another thread asking another question lol 😅 Now I kind of wish I did because I thought they were considered better than most other tuners. And now i'm thinking it probably varies quite a bit depending on who you ask and their experience with PRS tuners.
Do you have feeler gauges? If so, you can check the string height, but it sounds okay. Don’t worry about the amount of string above the top if the nut. What matters is how high the bottom of the strings are above the first few frets: The height above the top of the first fret wire is the mist important. You can measure it by using an 12” or 18” steel rule place on its edge across the frets. Measure the gap between the top of the fretwire and the underside of the steel rule’s edge and that gap is your height. You can get a set of feeler gauges (aka Gap Gauges) from a hardware or automotive retailer. They are cheap, so don’t be sucked into buying “Guitar Feeler Guages” because they are the same, but they are expensive.
I have some of the normal feeler gauges and checked the string height with those before sending it into the PTC :) I forget what the measurements were but it was determined that after I adjusted the action and relief to a normal range, the string height at the first fret was too low for a few strings, and 2 of the strings were basically laying on the frets when I'd fret at the third fret.

When I got the guitar from Sweetwater I had them do a setup on it before sending it out to me since I didn't want to deal with filing the nut slots for the 11-56 gauge strings. When I got the guitar, the action had been set super high, there was a ton of relief, and the guitar was super uncomfortable to play. And even with the high action, there was already string buzz coming from the first few frets and after the nut no matter where I was fretting on the fretboard.

Once the action and relief were adjusted to medium action, I checked the string height for each string at the first fret. I don't remember exactly what the measurements were, I just remember they were too low for a few strings.

The nut slots were actually cut so low for a few strings that when I'd fret the third fret, a few strings were basically laying on the frets and I couldn't fit any feeler gauges under them. And the string height at the first fret for the rest of the strings were almost too low but had barely enough space to only cause buzz when I'd pick medium-hard.

I think what happened is whatever tech at Sweetwater did the nut slot filing for my guitar, ended up filing a few of the nut slots too low and they probably set up the action and relief significantly higher to get rid of most of the buzz that the badly cut nut was causing, instead of dealing with having to replace the nut since they didn't have any of the PRS replacement nuts at the time.

I didn't know that the nut slots being deep and the strings sitting below level of the nut slot wasn't an issue as long as it isn't binding. I don't mind that much actually haha :D
 
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If you want a better tremolo, get the MannMade bridge because it’s better than the PRS. I regret doing it cheaply and not spending $400 for the MannMade. My guitar is a CE24 Swamp Ash Special with 2 humbuckers. I’m also restoring a ruined Core Mira from about 2007. I’m fitting it with custom hardware. Seymour Duncan pickups bring PRS guitars alive.
Would you say that the MannMade bridge is a significant upgrade tone-wise for the CE24 from the stock trem? I've been super curious about those and I'd be open to putting one in if it's a big upgrade :D Does doing stuff like that affect the guitars warranty or anything like that?

Your guitar sounds like a beastly beauty! I'd love to see some pics if you have any!

I've only tried a few SD pickups and it was years ago. I've been super interested in some of the Bareknuckle pickups and some of the recent SD pickups! I'm thinking about trying a new set in one of my other guitars that I feel is lacking tonally but there are so many options to run through, and I'm a dork about guitar gear and end up deep diving each piece of gear i'm looking into so it takes me forever to narrow down a choice hahaha🤣🤣
 
Damn, it's $4000 in the country you're in?! I know pricing can be different from country to country but it's more than I expected the price difference would be! It's about 25% less where i'm at, and I ended up getting a discount when I first bought the guitar, and then another bigger discount for the issues and for the hassle of having to send it back in to SW or PRS to get it fixed up.

But if I hadn't gotten a good price to start then I wouldn't have been open to an additional discount with the repair/possible replacement under warranty option. Especially if it were $4000! lol 🤣 I would have demanded pure perfection if I dropped that much in full!! 😂
@MaxPow has his location set to Australia, so don’t forget to factor in the exchange rate: $4,000 Australian dollars is roughly equivalent to $2,700 US dollars.
 
@MaxPow has his location set to Australia, so don’t forget to factor in the exchange rate: $4,000 Australian dollars is roughly equivalent to $2,700 US dollars.
The exchange rate!!
Thank you! Lol that is what I was meaning and couldn't figure out what the term for it was lol.

I should have elaborated more on what I meant by price difference country to country, my bad!

Extra confusing when you consider that it's a constantly moving number as well lol. I always think I know what GBP is going to be in USD and I'm always surprised at what it turns out to be 😂

Kind of crazy that $2700 here is $4000 in Australia! But I guess if I was used to the dollar amount being different for stuff then paying $4000 wouldn't be much of a shocker and would feel right for the market for the country.


But paying $4000 for a brand new CE24 would be crazy here. Although, somehow I'm scared that we'll eventually end up there. Inflation has been brutal the past decade!
 
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