markie
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Can't wait to see version 5
And now I can finally do this ...................................................................................... :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
Paisley
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Can't wait to see version 5
And now I can finally do this ...................................................................................... :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
crgtr
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Thanks. I put a 59/09 in the bridge to go with the 57/08 in the neck & it sounds AWESOME!!! And by the way, the Big Ball V2 was one of my fave parts of that weekend! Great idea Hans! I wish we'd video taped it. I learned a LOT during that test.
captdg
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It takes a lot to make ME speechless..but that ......uhh
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Late last year I took a solo trip to Muncie. Markie and I had a discussion about the sonic properties of Les Paul guitars - in comparison to PRS guitars. We decided to go down into Markie's guitar room, crank a big old rock-n-roll amp, and bust out our most excellent Em. We did this with guitar after guitar to try and put some merit to the idea that the Les Paul had more balls than a PRS. We found that the generalization was completely untrue. More to the point, we found that the original Zemaitis (not a Greco) had the best oomph with a fantastic overdriven scream.
Flash forward to March 23rd. 17 guys sitting around BS'ing about the same thing. So what do we do? Yup. Big Balls contest - take 2. Guitar after guitar came off the wall. Chris "The King" Reynolds was the man behind the chords. he would hit it hard and let it ring. The rest of us sat back and listened. All of the hollowbody guitars (across several builders) exhibited similar tendency to overdrive and feedback very fast. Solid body guitars took longer. A couple guitars were super tight, compressed, and took a long time to squeal. One guitar, in particular, refused to lose it's composure. It sounded like a chainsaw wide open and it never backed off. No matter how many times Chris tried, that maple-neck Singlecut just wouldn't feedback.
I put the Raven up against the most beefy single cut we could find. I was expecting it to be frail in comparison. More delicate. Wrong! It was just as ballzy as anything else we handed Chris.
I believe in the sum-of-all-parts theory. I believe that maple-cap guitars are brighter than all mahogany guitars. I believe that maple and swamp ash are snappy and have a tight low end. I believe that harder nuts create more shimmer on the high end. And I believe that nothing will help you understand the "general" sonic properties of a group of similar guitars like lining them all up, side-by-side, and playing them back to back.
Big Balls, V2 was one of the coolest "guitar guy" experiments I've ever been involved with - second only to the day we dissected a Paul's 28 guitar. And that, my friends, is how Dirty Bob lost his hearing.
crgtr
Zombie Eight - DFZ
Hans. The Raven kicked ass! That gtr saw a lot of action that weekend. And for good reason!!! I loved playing it!
Buildermike
Can you have too many?
So Hans, I guess Tim's guitar rang true over all? And I'm assuming Tim's guitar was the SC Artist with the maple neck.
We all did. That guitar didn't exhibit a typical characteristic for how it looked...so bas a$$ that it must the thin/fizzy/über metal. What an amazing surprise. Everything about that guitar was solid, musical and awesome.
As for Chris' paisley SE245, it's a stunning piece of art from the wizards at PTC. Every detail was perfect and it sounded fantastic, too. :rock:
captdg
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Hans..you are right about the Maple V. Mahoghany...BTW Bob Ross is from Muncie Indiana....The REAL one.
markie
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martysnarf
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That was SUCH a cool shootout. It was great to hear how all these great guitars had their own "punch". I agree with Hans' assessment that the generalization about Lesters having "more balls" is definitely untrue. However- in my opinion- Les Pauls SOUND DIFFERENT than even the very best PRSi, or the Zemaitis, or the Knaggs. I do not mean that they sound better, but each brand- to my ears- has a distinct personality that is evident when you play them side-by-side. PRSi seem to have their own unique "voice", and it is consistent across the line. There seems to be a little less midrange (to my broke-ass ears) than LPs. The Zemaitis had a "chainsaw-like buzz" that was really tight and powerful. Lesters have a "tightness in the bottom" that I ONLY hear in Gibbys.
The bottom line- to me- is that the generalization that one brand has "more balls" than another is untrue. Different brands and different models have different personalities, and finding the one that gets as close to "the sound that you hear in your head" is a fun and worthwhile- albeit sometimes exhausting- pursuit!!
That was such a cool experiment; I'm glad I was there to be a part of it.
The bottom line- to me- is that the generalization that one brand has "more balls" than another is untrue. Different brands and different models have different personalities, and finding the one that gets as close to "the sound that you hear in your head" is a fun and worthwhile- albeit sometimes exhausting- pursuit!!
That was such a cool experiment; I'm glad I was there to be a part of it.
11top
Cousin Eddie's cousin
Paisley thread.............right?
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I didn't participate in that experiment, since I wasn't there, but I completely agree with the assessment that various members have posted.
You do enough recording over a 25 year period, you pick up on some stuff, I guess.
I believe that a guitar works like an analog synthesizer using a basic waveform, modified by filters and an ADSR envelope. Example: Take an all mahogany guitar, and you have a rich, midrange-prominent waveform. Add a maple cap, and you've removed some midrange, which makes the guitar sound brighter. You haven't added high-end, you've scooped the midrange a little bit. But on balance, the guitar will sound brighter because of that. It works just like a filter on an analog synth.
Go to a semi-hollow or hollow, and what you've done is change the type of base waveform and the type of filter. Now instead of a 12 db/octave, maybe you've got a 24 db/octave with a different shape. And you've got a different kind of resonant filter as well, to accentuate different parts of the frequency band.
Various neck and fingerboard materials will also alter the tone in different ways, and so will scale length, hardware, etc.
Use a different base wood - alder, or ash - and you're going to start with a different waveform. Then the various other parts will further affect that.
Now throw in pickups, which to me is like using a different microphone, and you have more to think about and alter the tone, and that includes modifying the ADSR envelope.
So it's hardly surprising that a Lester sounds different from a typical PRS - the scale length is different, the construction is different, the hardware is different, etc.
I will note that my Stripped 58 sounded a LOT closer to a Lester than my SC58 with ebony board and 53/10s. But it still had its own thing going on, and frankly, I liked it better than any Lester I'd previously owned or played, but then I generally prefer the PRS sound to the Gibson sound anyway.
I also gotta say that what I listen for in a guitar isn't balls, it's harmonic content, and I'd guess that's because when I'm working on a recording, I'm mixing the bass and kick for the balls, and I want to clear a bit of the bottom end out of the guitar tracks so the bass and kick can be heard clearly. I like it when the guitar lives in its own space and doesn't get in the way of the other instruments. And of course, one also needs to make room for vocals, so a guitar that has a little bit of midrange scoop works really well.
You do enough recording over a 25 year period, you pick up on some stuff, I guess.
I believe that a guitar works like an analog synthesizer using a basic waveform, modified by filters and an ADSR envelope. Example: Take an all mahogany guitar, and you have a rich, midrange-prominent waveform. Add a maple cap, and you've removed some midrange, which makes the guitar sound brighter. You haven't added high-end, you've scooped the midrange a little bit. But on balance, the guitar will sound brighter because of that. It works just like a filter on an analog synth.
Go to a semi-hollow or hollow, and what you've done is change the type of base waveform and the type of filter. Now instead of a 12 db/octave, maybe you've got a 24 db/octave with a different shape. And you've got a different kind of resonant filter as well, to accentuate different parts of the frequency band.
Various neck and fingerboard materials will also alter the tone in different ways, and so will scale length, hardware, etc.
Use a different base wood - alder, or ash - and you're going to start with a different waveform. Then the various other parts will further affect that.
Now throw in pickups, which to me is like using a different microphone, and you have more to think about and alter the tone, and that includes modifying the ADSR envelope.
So it's hardly surprising that a Lester sounds different from a typical PRS - the scale length is different, the construction is different, the hardware is different, etc.
I will note that my Stripped 58 sounded a LOT closer to a Lester than my SC58 with ebony board and 53/10s. But it still had its own thing going on, and frankly, I liked it better than any Lester I'd previously owned or played, but then I generally prefer the PRS sound to the Gibson sound anyway.
I also gotta say that what I listen for in a guitar isn't balls, it's harmonic content, and I'd guess that's because when I'm working on a recording, I'm mixing the bass and kick for the balls, and I want to clear a bit of the bottom end out of the guitar tracks so the bass and kick can be heard clearly. I like it when the guitar lives in its own space and doesn't get in the way of the other instruments. And of course, one also needs to make room for vocals, so a guitar that has a little bit of midrange scoop works really well.
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Egads
One, Two, THIRTEEN!
Paisley..............right?
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I WANT THIS!!!!!
crgtr
Zombie Eight - DFZ
Great looking amp Steve!
Paisley..............right?
markie
Zombie 27 - DFZ
Welcome back Phenny!
Boogeyman
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It still hasn't "grown" on me yet (sorry)...it reminds me of curtains or a table clothe at my grandma's house LOL.
jfine
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I want a long-sleeved shirt with that paisley pattern--they could even embroider a PRS logo on the front pocket. Gotta have a front pocket--where else am I going to keep my picks?
I need a clip! See here: http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?4024-2-channel-custom-TGS-mod
Paisley thread.............right?
I've always liked Garfield.
TJIann
Some call me.... Tim
Back to the original storyline of this thread.........paisley helps convince the wife that the amps and cabs are pieces of furniture, so you need more to fill other rooms. :biggrin:
