Oh.. G*ddammit!!!

[sergiodeblanc]

I'm about to throw a BF! I've been tryin' to build a pedalboard that'll fit into my cute little man-purse, I thought I had it all figured out, but there always has to be something that goes wrong.

The idea was to have the little Zoom G3 handle compression, modulation, filter, a single delay, tuner, and maybe an amp model if I wanted/needed to go direct,all effects being individually switchable, and then have the two MS50's handle chain-based effects with tap tempo. In theory, it should totally work, individually they work, but together..... G*ddammit!!!!
The tuner on the G3 sucks and in order to have the delay tails not get chopped off I had to add an external pedal, which is fine, I'm working around it. That's why I have that little Ensoniq sustain pedal on there, and it's kinda cool 'cause it's big and I can leave the delay always on, and the pedal just mutes its input and leaves the other three switches readily available. The MS50's tuner works like a champ and allows you to engage a chain of effects with a single stomp, but it can get a little noisey and it makes you choose between tap tempo and the tuner, which is fine, I'll work around it...

The problem I'm having is that when I plug them all in together I get this terrible high-pitched noise and everything farts out. Take one pedal away and everything works fine. I've tried powering the stuff with batteries, through a USB hub, and wall-warts, and NO DICE! Same goes with different cables, and I darn-tooting made sure I kept the power lines and audio lines separate so it's not RF leaking into things through there. I got to the point where I was trying to power each one of these lil' bastids with different combos of the above when I finally threw a tantrum (which really just amounts to me pouting and whining in this post since I'm not that aggro of a dude).


WHY?!?! Why can't I have what I want when I want it? Just one time? (Yes, I'm being melodramatic here..) I know so much about setting up this kinda stuff, I was born in the 70's and have been using digital effects processors since the f@ckin' Yamaha SPX 50D I bought in high school. I've had refrigerator racks my whole life and I just wanna have something that will fit in my carry-on! She-oot.. I've been through every brand of processor and every one of them compromises something, and I'm not doing pedals or a rack and a controller... Well, maybe I will be.

 

[JustRob]

You, my good man, need a fruity drink and a smoke, then come back at it again after you've mellowed out. :beer:

 

[watelessness]

Serg, upgrade your man purse.

 

[sergiodeblanc]

You, my good man, need a fruity drink and a smoke, then come back at it again after you've mellowed out. :beer:

You know me too well, Rob.

Serg, upgrade your man purse.

It doesn't work that way, it's a really nice man purse. I gotta fit the pedals to the purse, it matches my shoes.

 

[alantig]

Dude - chill, get your fruity drink and take a deep Bang Stallions breath. You're clearly overlooking the obvious.

You have black cables.

And white cable ties.

That high-pitched noise isn't from your pedals, it's your fashion alarm!

 

[sergiodeblanc]

You're right, Alan. I'm a mess.

 

[watelessness]

You know me too well, Rob.



It doesn't work that way, it's a really nice man purse. I gotta fit the pedals to the purse, it matches my shoes.

Dude. Just get an Archon because they come with matching shoes.

 

[László]

Maybe a nice buffer box in the chain would help?

 

[sergiodeblanc]

Dude. Just get an Archon because they come with matching shoes.

I'm gonna have to see those shoes.

Maybe a nice buffer box in the chain would help?

It's a thought, but I think it's a power supply issue as it happens without the input cable plugged in.

 

[JamminPA]

http://this1smyne.com/shop/mb-mini-buffer/

 

[vchizzle]

Hmmm, I'm puzzled Serg....I mean this should work just fine by Mazda standards....zoom, zoom, zoom.

Have you tried a different pedal in place of the unplugged MS50? I know you want this combo but it might at least tell you if it's specifically those 3 that won't cooperate in line together.

 

[sergiodeblanc]

http://this1smyne.com/shop/mb-mini-buffer/

Those look cool, thanks!

Hmmm, I'm puzzled Serg....I mean this should work just fine by Mazda standards....zoom, zoom, zoom.

Have you tried a different pedal in place of the unplugged MS50? I know you want this combo but it might at least tell you if it's specifically those 3 that won't cooperate in line together.

Ha! Yeah, right! It should work!

Nah, I haven't tried a different one yet. Part of the reason why I liked this one was 'cause I didn't have to decide what to put there.

 

[DHW]

Those look cool, thanks!



Ha! Yeah, right! It should work!

Nah, I haven't tried a different one yet. Part of the reason why I liked this one was 'cause I didn't have to decide what to put there.

Maybe a filtered power supply like a voodolabs or something would clean the power up.

 

[sergiodeblanc]

Maybe a filtered power supply like a voodolabs or something would clean the power up.

I've been looking at some, tryin' to find something really small.

 

[shinksma]

I was going to suggest looking at the power supplies. Are you using the OEM one from the G3X?

Also, have you tried powering everything up, but separated by a couple of feet? Maybe one of the units is interfering with the others, RF-wise...

 

[DHW]

http://www.voodoolab.com/pedalpower_ac.htm

I'd power them separately first and see if it fixes it before investing.

 

[DHW]

Actually you might need the digital for that multi-effects.

 

[vchizzle]

Thing is, if you've powered everything with batteries, I'm not sure any ISO power supply like the voodoo will change anything?

 

[DHW]

Thing is, if you've powered everything with batteries, I'm not sure any ISO power supply like the voodoo will change anything?

Thats true but could still be a grounding issue since they will ground via the cable when on battery power. I'd almost bet isolatin. Those pedals would fix the issue.

 

[Chrisk-K]

It's the nature of certain multiple digital multi-effect processors in a single signal chain. I used to have multiple Line6 digital effect processors. I couldn't use more than one on my pedal board because of the same problem you're having. Guys at Talkbass had a technical explanation. Using one Line6 digital pedal along with analogue pedals was OK for me.