NotaDumble pedal

He's a really down to earth guy. I don't own any of his pedals and don't have any skin in the game, but not eve sure what you mean by "clever marketing." I totally believe it was an honest mistake and it's not like he marketed it as something and it's something else completely. It's a different version of a D than he thought it was.
I made the mistake of reading responses and seeing a discussion of this on another forum, where several are being fairly cynical (and worse), which doesn't make a lot of sense in this context. I don't know much about him, but I believe him and am impressed he was that open about a mistake.
 
So, he cloned the wrong pedal or was it supposed to be switchable between both pedals? And if it sounds as good as owners are reporting ... who cares and why discontinue? Just make a 2nd kit and sell both!

All this internet "doesn't sound like a REAL Dumble" stuff reminds me of the scene from Northern Exposure where Adam (played by Adam Arkin), who is a former spy and gourmet chef, begins working at the local bar The Brick when one of Cicely Alaska's locals says "Adam, this food is really good" and Adam replies "How would you know?".

BTW my "notadumble" that I built sounds exactly like a real Dumble! How would I know? Well, I've heard compressed Youtube clips of a real Dumble, and I was 10' from Robben Ford at one of his first performances with his Dumble, and I've imagined my "notadumble" sounds just like Robben, David Lindley and all those compressed YouTube clips. Well, it actually does sound quite a bit like David Lindley (but not Robben or Larry).

p.s. If you get real close to your monitor while looking at this pic you might be able to still smell the smoke from the bridge rectifier and capacitors on the relay power supply board (on the left). I was using alligator clip leads to extend my oscilloscope's probe and hooked it up in reverse sending high voltage to ground through the oscilloscope :eek:🤣. This weekend's project is replacing the still functioning but "stressed" components. I can say Siglent has outstanding customer service as they replaced a board for free under warranty.

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I made the mistake of reading responses and seeing a discussion of this on another forum, where several are being fairly cynical (and worse), which doesn't make a lot of sense in this context. I don't know much about him, but I believe him and am impressed he was that open about a mistake.
Ok, I wasn't sure what you were talking about. Makes sense. I think the guy is a pretty "real" guy and has owned a couple mistakes in the past and been pretty open and transparent when he did, so I tend to trust what he says.
 
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I made the mistake of reading responses and seeing a discussion of this on another forum, where several are being fairly cynical (and worse), which doesn't make a lot of sense in this context. I don't know much about him, but I believe him and am impressed he was that open about a mistake.
I got caught up in that thread. Some people don't know how or aren't capable of using intellect over emotion.
 
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I hate to say it, but that sounds nothing like a Dumble, so it's appropriately named.
I guess I have a couple of comments. First is that the linked clip isn't really very good on a few different levels. I had never heard of this thing before, but after looking there are a few clips out there that sound much more interesting.

The second comment is that everyone seems to have a different idea of what a Dumble sounds like. I have never played through an actual Dumble and my main point of reference is that I had a two rock Overdrive Special for years. It was a great amp, and assuming that it was even somewhat faithful, the clean channel is where the magic really was when pushed, relative to the "Dumble sound". The overdrive channel, particularly with the FET engaged, was fun to play around with, but wasn't particularly useful from my perspective. In any case, some of the clips I heard made it seem at least possible that the pedal could be doing something cool and Dumble-like (to the extent I'm qualified to evaluate that.)
 
Even if it's not what was advertised I still love it. I never expected it to sound like a Dumble but it did enhanced my tone and I do like overdrive too. I like the fact Josh owned up to it. Besides he still used a real Dumble pedal to create this, just not the one advertised. In the video I actually think the one he used to reverse engineer the pedal sounded just as good if not better. Just my 2 cents
 
I bought one within moments of the sale going active in the US. Assembled as advertised and tested sat. Sounds good on clean channel and on drive channel to my ear, I might leave it on most of the time since I like the way it sounds. I know I don’t have any other pedal that sounds like this new JHS.

Josh said in the video he was looking at a mod for us to upgrade the pedal to a foot switch channel swap when he discovered the error in producing the wrong clean channel portion of the pedal. That makes the NotaDumble as sold more rare than he intended it to be. I think he also showed the 2 clean channel pedals sound very similar, with one op amp based and the other FET based. Apparently Dumble wanted the 2 versions to sound the same. Seems he was successful.

The way I understood Josh is that he had 3 Dumble pedals not 2. His lead engineer reverse engineered all 3 pedals before he died during Covid lockdown, the schematics and breadboard never got into the company files until the error was discovered after the NotaDumble was shipped.

I look forward to the channel swap mod spec’d out by Josh or I’ll do it myself. I also look forward to a new JHS Dumble pedal with the 4 jacks on it.
 
I bought one within moments of the sale going active in the US. Assembled as advertised and tested sat. Sounds good on clean channel and on drive channel to my ear, I might leave it on most of the time since I like the way it sounds. I know I don’t have any other pedal that sounds like this new JHS.

Josh said in the video he was looking at a mod for us to upgrade the pedal to a foot switch channel swap when he discovered the error in producing the wrong clean channel portion of the pedal. That makes the NotaDumble as sold more rare than he intended it to be. I think he also showed the 2 clean channel pedals sound very similar, with one op amp based and the other FET based. Apparently Dumble wanted the 2 versions to sound the same. Seems he was successful.

The way I understood Josh is that he had 3 Dumble pedals not 2. His lead engineer reverse engineered all 3 pedals before he died during Covid lockdown, the schematics and breadboard never got into the company files until the error was discovered after the NotaDumble was shipped.

I look forward to the channel swap mod spec’d out by Josh or I’ll do it myself. I also look forward to a new JHS Dumble pedal with the 4 jacks on it.

Looks like the guy in the video above added a footswitch and removed the “Channel” slide switch. I assume it’s just replacing one switch with another and drilling a hole.
 
I guess I have a couple of comments. First is that the linked clip isn't really very good on a few different levels. I had never heard of this thing before, but after looking there are a few clips out there that sound much more interesting.
So nice to see you here again, Aristotle!

When I said 'that' sounds nothing like a Dumble, I meant 'that clip'. Haven't tried the pedal.

I had about a half-dozen Two-Rocks of various iterations. As with the Dumble amps, each sounded a little different; the amps I had bore a strong family resemblance to the Dumble tone I heard live.

The second channel on the T-R Onyx Sig models (I had versions 1 and 2, as well as the original Onyx) did a very Dumble-like thing. I wasn't really going for a Dumble sound in particular, but I did like the OD on those amps.

They compressed, sustained and sang in a unique and very Dumble way, and supported the note (for lack of a better description), both clean and overdriven. Very easy amps to play through, even though they were extremely touch-sensitive and 'fast' for lack of a better word.

To my way of thinking - certainly everyone thinks differently about that particular sound and what is or isn't desirable about it - that compression as the note sustains is the most wonderful thing about the Dumble style amps.

Just my two cents here:

Speaking only for myself, the most desirable quality of the Dumble sound that's fairly unique to that style of amp isn't the frequency response or other tonal characteristics, as much as the quality of that compression and the beautiful way it hangs onto the note.

I think of Dumble vs other amps akin to the way an LA-2A grabs and hangs onto a note in a very different way from, say, a VCA or FET compressor. They all compress, but they also all do different things to the sound that aren't necessarily about frequency response, or tone, if you will.

To be clear, I'm not saying the Dumble compresses like an LA-2A, merely pointing out that compressors have very different characteristics.

An LA-2A is wonderful for melodic instruments and vocals because of the transparent, un-grabby way it engages the compression and supports the note, and this is of course different from a Dumble's compression that's clearly audible.

In any event, not many amps I've played through have done this, in my experience, and I've yet to encounter a pedal that does it. For me, that compression is the most important quality these pedals lack.

Back when TAG was all about the Dumble sound, he used to say it 'squeezes the note' in a particular way; I think he was right about that, and of course, he was talking about the compression (TAG got me into trying Two-Rock).
 
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