New tuners for my SE

Discussion in 'PTC - PRS Tech Center' started by sadmoodyfrazier, Sep 7, 2020.

  1. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    These are Vanson locking. Pretty good "cheap" tuners. It's quite a 100% compatible swap. The screw holes are not perfectly alligned but it was pretty easy to screw the thing. They are also non 100% perfectly alligned but you have to be totally insane like me to notice it. Also I like more the tiny pegs because I think they are more elegant than the big chunky ones. Anyway without burning in and stretching the strings the tuning is almost frozen.
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  2. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    22,762
    Likes Received:
    35,174
  3. swstandring

    swstandring New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2
    That came out nice.

    I've added the Grover Mini-Rotomatics on 3 SE's including an acoustic. All were 100% plug and play, all holes lined up perfectly and I've never had any issues with them.
     
  4. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    Nope... I have had them refunded. I couldn't stand that not lining up machine heads. They were just horrible. Now I've placed original ones.
     
  5. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    Did you use 400 series top locking ones?
     
  6. swstandring

    swstandring New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2
    No, they were not the top locking ones. Id have to look up the exact part numbers, I think they were 406C but dont quote me, perfect drop in replacements on an SE EG, 245, and an SE Al15 acoustic.
     
  7. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    Please tell me. I'm going slightly mad to find something suitable for my SE.
     
  8. swstandring

    swstandring New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2
  9. swstandring

    swstandring New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2
    Dirty_Boogie likes this.
  10. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    I would like to not to place the same machines. I mean... they are pretty cheap and looking to the price of the PRS SE Locking they are way overpriced if they are like the ones I have on my guitar. Also I would like to place on mine Schallers instead of Grovers just to have european machine heads and not overseas. Why? I don't know. But it would be sweet to.
     
  11. swstandring

    swstandring New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2
    The 406C's are definitely smoother and more precise than the standard SE tuners...no questions asked.
     
  12. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    I would just happy to know where 406C are made because on other GROVER tuners you can read MADE IN USA everywhere. On 406c there is no clue.
     
  13. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    I can't get about which tuners are you talking. Are you talking about 406c?
     
  14. jimfisher

    jimfisher Guitar Geezer

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2012
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    207
  15. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
  16. Nice F Holes

    Nice F Holes New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2020
    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    136
    My hunch is that the Vanson tuners are made by Jin Ho in Korea. I say this because their part numbers are oddly similar to Jin Ho part numbers (Vanson =V07SP, Jin Ho = JN07SP) and the drawings are identical (first one is Vanson, second is Jin Ho) and Jin Ho makes tuners for many private labels. Now, according to John Mann's website, the SE tuners are made by Jin Ho so I would have expected them to line up, although it's entirely possible PRS spec'd a different mounting pattern, or Jin Ho has several patterns, or the Vansons are just machined differently. Or I guess PRS could have changed suppliers at some point. Notice that the drawings below tell you the "envelope dimensions" of the part, but they don't actually specify exactly where the screw hole is relative to the post. Most higher end tuning machine drawings either would show 7.8mm X, 7.8mm Y from the peg center, or show 11mm at 45 degrees. From the Vanson/Jin Ho drawings, there's really no way to tell if the screw hole would line up, or where it is relative to peg center.

    Thanks for sharing this. I was considering buying private label Jin Ho locking tuners and would also have been disappointed if they didn't line up properly.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  17. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    They don't line up and the tuning machines are horribly rotated. I'm happy if I helped you.
     
  18. swstandring

    swstandring New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2
    No clue...to be honest these are the SE guitars so realistically none of the guitar us US built so the question of where the tuners were built did not even really cross my mind. I was mostly worried about the fit which was perfect. I hate seeing a head stock with extra holes drilled into it, even little holes.
     
  19. John Beef

    John Beef Opaque

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    3,334
    Likes Received:
    2,341
    Well, this thread inspired me to order some Grover 406Cs for my SE Hollowbody. I figure I'm upgrading the pickups and electronics, might as well do the tuners as well.
     
    Nice F Holes likes this.
  20. sadmoodyfrazier

    sadmoodyfrazier New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2020
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    104
    I'm waiting for them to delivery. I can't wait. With locking tuners my SE will be PERFECT.
     
    Nice F Holes likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice