New HX?

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  1. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    I've used them, but don't have one. It's a nice option. I've often thought of getting one. The big advantage of an iso cab over a load box with speaker simulation is that you can get the tone of the speaker breaking up, and control that a lot more than with most load boxes. A speaker IR is, after all, a static sample of that speaker, at such-and-such volume, etc. It's going to vary a lot more with a real speaker.

    The only drawback is that there's less "air" around the note due to the lack of space in the enclosure. OIf course, that can be addressed to a degree with reverb, especially in a DAW.

    The UA OX does a great job with emulating speaker load, however, because it uses algorithms instead of IRs. I'm not pushing this solution; I don't have one of those either, because my 'solution' is to just record freakin' loud and call it a day.

    But there may come a time when my neighbors won't be hard-of-hearing old people, and I get nasty feedback. When that happens, I'll get either an iso cab or a UA OX.
     
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  2. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Invisible Member (TWSS)

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    No, but I toyed with it in the past. IMO, you can always "tell" that it's an iso cab recording, unless you have a massive iso cab. And without getting all audiophile, it makes perfect sense that you can here "that" sound in iso cab recordings. IMO, YMMV.

    I still think it's a good idea for many people, just that I think it's immediately recognizable to the trained ear.
     
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  3. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Interesting. I'm not saying this is wrong. Each of us is entitled to make our own choices with this stuff. I simply approach gear from a different perspective.

    I think of an amp like the HX as an ingredient in a tone recipe. It's always a good idea to start with the finest ingredients. But the amp, even if it's a very important ingredient, isn't the entire recipe. It needs seasoning, it needs other ingredients. Get the right ones, and you have a gourmet dish, if you know how to cook (I have no idea how to cook, but my wife has drummed the idea of good ingredients into my head, and it's not a bad analogy!).

    If you can build a tone you can love over the long haul with an amp, I think it's well worth the investment, whatever else is needed to finish the recipe.

    My first question is: Do I think this amp would be a good ingredient to be added to my little tone arsenal? If the answer is 'yes', then the rest of the recipe is simply a matter of allocating resources to achieve what I want. If it takes some time, or commitment, so be it. On the other hand, if the answer is no, I've saved myself a lot of dough. ;)

    I speak only for myself here. I'm not suggesting in any way at all that the HX is right for DTR or anyone else. Well, maybe for me...
     
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  4. Boogie

    Boogie Zombie Two, DFZ

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    Don’t forget: the pursuit of the tone build is half of the fun. The more I’m tweaking a rig, the less I’m spending on a new one. It’s called return on investment (or cost containment, if you ask my CFO).
     
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  5. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Wait. We're supposed to be having...fun? :eek:
     
  6. Boogie

    Boogie Zombie Two, DFZ

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    See, dropping F-bombs is entertaining! Fun…the real F word.
     
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  7. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Well, the other F word stands for something that can be even more fun than amps...so there's that. ;)
     
  8. alantig

    alantig Zombie Four, DFZ

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    Not for spouses - my wife gets the same disinterested look when I mention either.
     
  9. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Who said anything about spouses?
     
  10. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    Groupies?
     
  11. Em7

    Em7 deus ex machina

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    That is absolutely correct. What one does not get with an IR is back EMF, which is critical with tube amps. Tube amps are poorly damped compared to solid-state amps. What this difference means in layman's terms is that tube amps tend to not only sound different with different speakers, they also feel different, especially amps with zero negative feedback like a VOX AC30. A loudspeaker is in the same class of magnetic component is a guitar pickup; namely, it is a magnetic transducer. We just do not think of it that way. A speaker works by creating a magnetic field in the voice coil that interacts with the permanent magnetic field of the speaker magnet to move the cone. However, a speaker not only consumes an electrical signal, it also creates an electrical signal when the voice coil cuts magnetic lines of force provided by the permanent magnet on the back of the speaker. This created signal is known as back electromotive force (EMF). On a solid-state amp, back EMF is damped by the power amp. However, back EMF is not damped to the same extent in a tube power amp. Instead, it is fed back into the power tubes through the output transformer where it combines with the signal coming from the phase inverter. Back EMF is what makes a cranked up tube amp feel like it is alive. It causes the power amp to push-back on the player. Guitarists who have played with tube amps for a long time usually know how to ride back EMF to make an amp sing.
     
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  12. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    Good to know, I remember that damping factor was always a big deal in audio amp specifications, something I haven't paid as much attention to since I started using powered monitors about 20 years ago.

    You're very much on the ball, Em7!
     
  13. Em7

    Em7 deus ex machina

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    Damping factor is critical in music reproduction because back EMF is unwanted.
     
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    Black Plaid Other Alan!

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    EMF? You are Unbelievable ... I think it's the purple prose that gives you away. :D
     
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