New core lineup
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Looks cool.
No more Brent Mason signature from 2017, I see.
No more Brent Mason signature from 2017, I see.
WEDGE
Zombie five, DFZ
Santana Retro.......Sergio?!?
sergiodeblanc
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I'd like a hundred of those.
dkilpatrick
Makes guitar faces
no more SC245 either (replaced with the SC594)
And no more SC hollowbody
bodia
Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved
Guess I'd better start setting some pennies aside.
andross182
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No more P245?! 
No more singlecut Hollowbody II.
There goes my dreams of them making a quilt top violet HB II without having to go private stock.
The lack of singlecuts in general is upsetting.
There goes my dreams of them making a quilt top violet HB II without having to go private stock.
The lack of singlecuts in general is upsetting.
DuncanCE22
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First of all please excuse my ignorance, but what are the differences between the 513 and the new 509?
alantig
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513 has two blades - a 5-way and a 3-way. The 3-way goes between single-coil, clear humbucker (think more vintage) and heavy humbucker (more modern). The 509 loses one of the humbucker modes, but you can make the bridge or neck pup single-coil while keeping the other a humbucker.
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I wonder if the new 509 has more authentic 'bucker tones than either of the two options on the 513?
Dancing Frog
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The thing is that by rolling back on volume, you can get tones that sound like the clear humbucking on a 513, and the full humbucker has less mud. The whole guitar is less nasal in tone. The cool thing is that the there is very little volume loss going from humbucker to singlecoil, because the electronics are actually based on the 408.
I don't know what you mean by more authentic. It has still got the characteristic coo of the 513, but it is closer strat/tele territory. At least, the GOTM versions were, but they were maple necked with kingwood fretboards. The production models are more in line with the 513. From my experience with those, I would expect a guitar with less top end and more harmonic bloom. Coupled with the clearer, more articulate 509 pick ups, I would suspect it might sound more authentic to some people's ears.
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I was thinking that on the "original" 513 - to my knowledge - the single coils were something like 6 kOhm for each coil, where humbuckers usually are in the 8k region. I was wondering if the new switches maybe took some of the coil windings out of the single coil pickups, making it more humbucker-like. This is speculation of course
Dancing Frog
Senior 513 Whore
The singles have a bit of a lower value than a 513 at 5.5-5.8 Ohms DC resistance at the jack. The humbucker modes are around 7.93-8.25 Ohms which is actually close to the resistance of the clear humbucking modes of a 513. The modern humbucking mode DC resistances of the 513 are in the 12-15 Ohms range.I was thinking that on the "original" 513 - to my knowledge - the single coils were something like 6 kOhm for each coil, where humbuckers usually are in the 8k region. I was wondering if the new switches maybe took some of the coil windings out of the single coil pickups, making it more humbucker-like. This is speculation of course
Below is a picture of the interior of a GOTM 509. With exception of the 5 way and the center pick up, the rest of the wiring looks like a 408. Considering the measured resistances and the minimal drop in volume between singlecoil and humbucking modes, it looks like it is coil stealing like a 408. In other words, it's taking windings out of the off coil and adding it to the on coil in single coil mode. Couple that with the fact that PR materials keep pitching it as a hybrid between a 408 and 513, and I think you can be pretty sure that's what is happening.
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Regarding Dancing Frogs pic of the abdomen of his 509 I would like to show you the interior of 513 until 2014:
A PCB is the command post among pups, jack, potis and switches.
As of production line 2014 (supposed starting end of 2013) PRS connected the electric parts by handwiring:
(same guitar, a 513 MT, final inspection 22th AUG 2011)
A PCB is the command post among pups, jack, potis and switches.
As of production line 2014 (supposed starting end of 2013) PRS connected the electric parts by handwiring:
(same guitar, a 513 MT, final inspection 22th AUG 2011)
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Interesting! In clear humbucking mode, the coils are wired in parallel rather than in series, is that right?
German remarks to the 513 patent: http://www.gearbuilder.de/forum/v-print/m-1166136844/
Wording of the US Patent.
Wording of the US Patent.
Dancing Frog
Senior 513 Whore
No, each humbucking pair is wired together out of phase with the polarities of the magnets 180 degrees apart. The clear humbucking mode is just tapping the singlecoils on each singlecoil except the middle. That's what both the US and German Patents that Maertl513 shared say. That's why the DC resistances at the jack of the modern humbucking mode are about double the single coil mode. If they were wired in parallel, two 6 Ohm singlecoils would have a total resistance of 3 Ohms and not 12 Ohms like we see in the modern humbucking mode.
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