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theDeepender

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My mission since I started playing guitar was to get good enough to play with and in front of ppl and maybe hit the bar scene. I am super frustrated with the way things are going with my band. Been playing the same songs for a year now. Covid didn’t help but…. Practices are becoming so sporadic. Ppl at the last minute say they can’t make it. I am getting beyond frustrated and demotivated. I play and practice everything but the set list because even playing these chosen songs upsets me so I just don’t. We play in a studio which is okay but getting there is a bit of a nightmare. I have played with two of these other ppl for years and they are amazing but…… The singer is amazing and I don’t think we could find another singer like this person. When we’re all together we do sound pretty amazing even if I do say so myself! I really like playing with these ppl but the politics are just getting in the way.

I have been approached by two other bands with offers and don’t know quite what to do?

I just need some input.
You are singing the song of SO MANY of us who take their music seriously and are surrounded by others who just aren’t dedicated. Sadly, there just isn’t anything you can do to change them if they are volunteers. If it’s a job, you can threaten replacement (if you have that authority). Most often, your only choices are to tolerate it while grumbling or move on.
 

theDeepender

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This what I am afraid of. I will go check out the offers and hopefully play with these ppl a few times but if I don’t like what I hear what then?

I have put so many bands together over time, organized things, found studios to play in. Basically doing the grunt work. This in itself is plain frustration. Knowing everybody’s schedules and trying work around and with them. Then at the last minute “ I can’t make it” I cringe

This is why I started busking in our local park. I need to play and want to play with an audience.
Alright, I’m gonna say it…
You can play in church. Yeah I know it’s hard to find a way to challenge yourself in that setting, but depending on who is in charge, you might just find the outlet you’re looking for.
 

Lola

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You are singing the song of SO MANY of us who take their music seriously and are surrounded by others who just aren’t dedicated. Sadly, there just isn’t anything you can do to change them if they are volunteers. If it’s a job, you can threaten replacement (if you have that authority). Most often, your only choices are to tolerate it while grumbling or move on.
Some say I’am obsessed with my guitars. Or, my son will say, “what ya thinking about? I know, your guitars”. If I am not playing you can be sure I have a song spinning on the strings in my head. Guitar is my life. If I have a set list agenda you know that I come prepared to play and not, I haven’t had time or whatever excuse they can come up with.


This above is my mentality in dealing with ppl who play in a band with me. Either be a responsible musician or just leave.

It’s really a crazy busy journey trying to keep life on track as well as a band but I wouldn’t have it any other way!
 

Bogner

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Alright, I’m gonna say it…
You can play in church. Yeah I know it’s hard to find a way to challenge yourself in that setting, but depending on who is in charge, you might just find the outlet you’re looking for.
Yes and no. I know some churches have hired guns that come in and play and many other churches won't let any "outsiders" play in the band unless they are committed church goers etc. They have zero interest in a band member playing in a bar the night before and the next morning playing in the worship band. I get that and respect that. Just know the church gig brings several other dynamics into the equation and in many cases, rightfully so.
 

Bogner

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Regarding the band thing. I got so tired of the nonsense I decided keep control of my own "stuff" and do everything myself and if/when it comes down to going further I would simply hire people to play the various instruments. Not everybody has the talent to play guitars, bass, drums, etc (I probably don't either but I am trying ) and then I can make the decisions and go from there. It may be something for you to consider. There are some very successful bands that are actually a leader and hired guns instead of members but to the public appear to be members.
 
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It's not just as simple as commitment level or whether or not someone "wants to take the band seriously." As people go through varying stages of their lives, many different things take priority. Work, kids, sports, church, etc. all come and go to varying degrees as we move through stages of life.
One good example is that when we hit the 30s, some of my friends who played music and ball were ready to quit playing ball, so suddenly they had time do take the band thing more seriously, and I just wasn't ready to quit playing ball so I could not be in the band. When another group of guys I play with all became empty nesters 10-12 years ago, they too had time to play music 3 nights a week. I was still playing ball. :D

Some guys have jobs that interfere, kids in school that play sports, etc., etc. It's not always "how seriously they take music" that makes someone a good band mate. It's how "available" they are. A single guy with an 8-5 job can practice/gig 4 nights a week and get away with it if he wants. I know I've told this before, but I was in a band and committed to 1 night per week practice, and 2, maybe 3 weekend gigs per month... assuming they'd all be local. Then they sprung it on me that they were playing a 3 day music festival that was over 1000 miles away... I would have needed months advance notice to plan for that.
 

sergiodeblanc

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It's not just as simple as commitment level or whether or not someone "wants to take the band seriously." As people go through varying stages of their lives, many different things take priority. Work, kids, sports, church, etc. all come and go to varying degrees as we move through stages of life.
One good example is that when we hit the 30s, some of my friends who played music and ball were ready to quit playing ball, so suddenly they had time do take the band thing more seriously, and I just wasn't ready to quit playing ball so I could not be in the band. When another group of guys I play with all became empty nesters 10-12 years ago, they too had time to play music 3 nights a week. I was still playing ball. :D

Some guys have jobs that interfere, kids in school that play sports, etc., etc. It's not always "how seriously they take music" that makes someone a good band mate. It's how "available" they are. A single guy with an 8-5 job can practice/gig 4 nights a week and get away with it if he wants. I know I've told this before, but I was in a band and committed to 1 night per week practice, and 2, maybe 3 weekend gigs per month... assuming they'd all be local. Then they sprung it on me that they were playing a 3 day music festival that was over 1000 miles away... I would have needed months advance notice to plan for that.
You’re the exact guy all these nice people are complaining about. :p
 

Permanent Waves

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You can only gain from exploring other options. It's a band, not a marriage, go for it. To loosely quote Richard Branson, if you get the right people in place, the business will take care of itself. Hardest thing is finding these people, so don't be afraid to look around. Keep a Rolodex for when you find all the right pieces to the puzzle. Sometimes it takes years to assemble the perfect lineup, you have to go through a lot of folks before finding the right fit, so look hard and fail fast. To me, having the right attitude is often more important that musical taste or even skill. Ability and interests can evolve, but attitude seldom does.
 

Allan-in-Keys

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My mission since I started playing guitar was to get good enough to play with and in front of ppl and maybe hit the bar scene. I am super frustrated with the way things are going with my band. Been playing the same songs for a year now. Covid didn’t help but…. Practices are becoming so sporadic. Ppl at the last minute say they can’t make it. I am getting beyond frustrated and demotivated. I play and practice everything but the set list because even playing these chosen songs upsets me so I just don’t. We play in a studio which is okay but getting there is a bit of a nightmare. I have played with two of these other ppl for years and they are amazing but…… The singer is amazing and I don’t think we could find another singer like this person. When we’re all together we do sound pretty amazing even if I do say so myself! I really like playing with these ppl but the politics are just getting in the way.

I have been approached by two other bands with offers and don’t know quite what to do?

I just need some input.
I've been playing out for most of my life. The past 20 years full-time. I learned long ago that if someone in a band is holding you back you need to move on. It sounds like their just not into it the same way you are. It's time to spread your wings! If you start "trying out" different bands you'll meet others with similar passion. You also will get exposed to environments that you didn't know were there. You will be surprised how fast you progress when your jamming with people with a strong love for it and a good work ethic.
No need to discuss it. Just let 'em know you need to find new music experiences to grow and develop. If they get their act together sit in with them now and then. Don't close the door, just move on. We all do.
 
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You’re the exact guy all these nice people are complaining about. :p
No, actually not because I never got in a band until I could commit to one night per week practice, and a few weekend gigs per month. And I would have done that for as long as it lasted, if they didn't spring the "3 days out of state gig, in 6 weeks" thing on me. :) I never joined any of those other bands, I'd just sit in with them occasionally or do a gig here and there.
 

tiboy

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I’ve struggled to keep everything up and running. Idc though because this is my dream and dammit I will make this happen no matter what. I am extremely stubborn!! I can’t and won’t give up. I have worked too hard to do that. Besides when you love something so much you try even harder.

I would love to take the singer and the bass player with me but I can’t. This is a family in a way if you understand what I mean.

Going to see what these other offers are about and then either the bomb will drop and I will make my exit in a very professional manner or not.
Love your stubborn (won’t quit) attitude.
 
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