Move to Southern PA or Southern DE?

Em7

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I am retiring in a few months at age 61 (the pandemic made me re-evaluate my life). I currently live with my girl in a house she purchased a little over a year ago, but it is not a forever situation. I am finding that most people who were married for a long time and divorced in their mid-fifties have no interest in getting remarried. We have been living together for a couple of years to save on expenses, but I have a short-term annuity in which I invested the proceeds from my marital home reaching full maturity in a couple of months that I want to invest in a home of my own. My final kid graduates from college in the Spring (her sister just graduated), so that is a big financial obligation off of my back. She and her sister were fortunate to be able to do the full college experience debt-free thanks to sacrifices made by my ex and I. Now, it is my turn.

I am from Maryland and my kids will probably start their careers here, so I do not want to move too far away. I prefer cool weather to hot weather, so Florida is definitely a no-go. I am not trying to be offensive or start a discussion, but the other retiree-friendly southern states are just too religious right-leaning for me personally. With the high cost of real estate in Central Maryland and near Western Maryland and the near Eastern Shore coupled with no property or income tax relief for retirees, Maryland is just not in the hunt. That leaves me with moving over the border to one of the much more retiree-friendly states. I am currently looking in Southern PA and Southern DE. The advantage that Central Maryland has over these areas is world class hospitals. In Baltimore alone, we have Johns Hopkins and the University of Maryland Medical Center, both are are attached to medical research institutions that do close to 2 billion dollars in combined medical research each year. Southern PA keeps me within a reasonable driving distance to these medical institutions whereas Delaware does not. Delaware is more tax friendly because property taxes can be be pretty stiff in PA and Delaware has no sales tax, which is a regressive tax. Maryland is a high tax state, but property tax rates in PA dwarf those of Maryland and property values in Southern PA have been inflated by people working in Central Maryland, which has one of the nation’s highest average income levels.

With that said, I would appreciate input from anyone who currently lives in or has lived in Southern PA or Southern DE. I am looking at the towns around Gettysburg and the towns south of Bridgeville in DE, thank you.
 
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Congrats on the upcoming retirement and for getting two kids through college ready to start adult life student debt free. You hit the big influences: cost and health care access. Remember the quality of your daily life will be influenced heavily by your location. This is especially true when the majority of your day is not spent at work.
 
I worked in southern PA for quite a while and in that time generally considered it’s best feature being that it was close to nicer places. I was a bike ride from Gettysburg. I liked that area much more than a little bit east (York). I think I preferred it because it was a bit calmer and more laid back - perhaps due to not being on that corridor to Baltimore.

Many of the people I worked with went to Delaware for vacations, which I think says something about it’s appeal. I like Delaware as a place to be more than PA. Much more relaxed and a good match to my retirement lifestyle. I never had a need to consider health care though. The last four months have certainly sensitized me to the value strong health care options, but if I ignored that, I would favour Delaware if the money worked.
 
If you don't mind "flat", DE is better and definitely more cost effective. When we lived in Queen Anne's County, MD we used to go to DE for any major purchase :D I do like the "lay of the land" better around Gettysburg, it's pretty close to where I grew up.

Really with these kinds of things you're going to have to spend a few days in each place and decide on your own. Happy Retirement!
 
I've never lived in either Delaware or PA, but I want to congratulate you on your retirement.

Also, having put 3 kids through college so they're debt-free, I can REALLY relate to that feeling of freedom once they're done!

Come to think of it, I guess I retired from a normal working life when I stopped practicing law, and got into the music biz at 39. Though I work plenty hard at what I do now, at least it's fun.
 
Congratulations and best wishes on your retirement. I retired in 2019, and it has worked out very well for me. Like you, I’m not rolling in money but carried no debt into retirement which significantly lowered my cost floor while widening my choices significantly. I’d strongly suggest anyone considering retirement throw off the noose of debt before jumping off the platform… I’ve seen the sudden stops, and they’re not to be emulated!

You’re wise to be looking at costs and care, but I haven’t found that to be the chief “satisfaction with life” considerations. For me, being happy with where I am day to day… all the normal, non-I need-to-plan-for-this type of things have meant much more. In other words, I’ve found my fulfillment was not so much in separating from my past work, but in each day that was in my future, one by one. You still need to live, grow, expand, explore. When you consider locations, the ones at the top of your list should be places you can do that. Being accessible to family is a great example, as that tie always needs love and attention. If you play, you don’t want to live somewhere that doesn’t have opportunities to do that. Whatever you want to do going forward should be directing your steps and decisions.

Though we’ve never met, I know you to be an intelligent and analytical man steeped in great knowledge and experience in your areas of interest. You’ll need to keep feeding that mind, but realize the freedom you’re getting ready to experience is unlike anything you remember if you’ve been at the job for decades… I always say I have six Saturdays and a Sunday now. Consider that your life as it will be may be something you’ve not considered yet, and that your options are more open than they’ve ever been. Do I want to be near medical care? Sure I do. But it’s gone from 3 or 4 on my list down into the double digit numbers… I’ve found you get to care when you need it. I’ve found much more joy in making sure I’m close to life as I want to live it. The everyday things.

Give it some thought, and I’m sure you’ll get to the right place for you.
 
Happy Retirement!!!!
(So, the mountains of West Virginia are out of the equation???)
My wife and I just bought enough WV land that we won't need to see anyone unless we choose to...

Oh, and its not that far of a drive, and its reeeeeally quiet!!!

I looked at a few properties in Martinsburg, but that area is no, just no. Any closer to the Maryland line, and one is dealing with commuters that take the MARC train into DC, so the cost of housing goes way up. Plus, the income tax burden in WV is higher than it is in Maryland because WV taxes Social Security payments where Maryland does not. I lived in Southern Carroll County for 16 years and anywhere that is that red and the county commissioners are that nutcase is no, just no. I lived in an affluent part of the county and it was still nutcase. That is why I am cautious about moving to Southern PA or Southern DE. I grew up in Anne Arundel County before it became congested, which is the kind of living I seek.
 
Congratulations and best wishes on your retirement. I retired in 2019, and it has worked out very well for me. Like you, I’m not rolling in money but carried no debt into retirement which significantly lowered my cost floor while widening my choices significantly. I’d strongly suggest anyone considering retirement throw off the noose of debt before jumping off the platform… I’ve seen the sudden stops, and they’re not to be emulated

While I lean moderate to liberal socially, I learned to be fiscally conservative at a young age. My ex and I lived on a fraction of our income when we were married and I continued that pattern after we divorced. I currently have no debt and wish to remain that way. That is why Maryland is not on my radar. I cannot purchase a home here without taking a note or spending down part of my retirement savings. That is not a problem in PA or DE. The good thing about Maryland is that it is a relatively small state, so the border is not that far away in any direction. Where I am looking in DE is not all that far from Stevensville. The Delmarva peninsula is not that large.
 
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Have you looked around Falling Waters, WV? The MARC train is Jefferson County (Charles Town area), isn't it? I lived in WV for 9 years and didn't much care for the "personal property tax", though!
 
I’m on the eastern shore of MD (near some guitar factory :rolleyes:) and love it in retirement. Beach traffic isn’t a problem if you’re off Ocean Gateway Rte. 50 a bit. That said, my best friend and wife live in Selbyville, DE and love it. They’re die hard beach people, and that’s close by. Both also retired and moved into a new house there. Laid back, and no commuter traffic. Not exactly a big city, but Salisbury isn’t too far. Congrats on retirement; I’m having a great time away from the corporate world. I can only imagine what it’s like with a pandemic thrown in. :eek:
 
Shelbyville is on my short list as is Millsboro. I am also looking at Cambridge and Easton, but DE appears to get it when it comes to building new small homes for retirees. I am looking for single floor living in a home of about 1,300 to 1,500 square ft. Property is so much more expensive in Maryland that new construction tends to be two story. Increased property cost combined with lower foundation and roofing cost per square foot is behind that choice. Plus, the closer one gets to the bridge, the more frequently one incurs well-heeled weekend property owners from DC, so that inflates housing costs. I could save money by purchasing a home that needs to be rehabbed, but my sweat equity days are behind me. The reason why I chose to retire early and the reason why access to healthcare is so important to me is because I underwent coronary artery bypass graft surgery (a.k.a a triple bypass) at age 55, so I need access to good regular healthcare (see my story at http://wp.umaryland.edu/beware-of-silent-heart-attack-symptoms/). The 10-year survival rate for a 55-year-old undergoing bypass surgery is 85%. That figure drops to 30% at twenty years. My father had the same procedure at age 56 (it is hereditary). He lived 11 years. He would have lived longer if he had taken better care of himself post-procedure. I saved enough while working that I will probably have to do the required mandatory minimum distribution (RMD) thing at age 72, but I consider getting to age 72 a blessing.
 
Well, it appears that DE has a primary care doctor shortage. I am more interested in the per capital number of cardiologists and endocrinologists, but lack of primary care physicians is a problem. Regardless of where one lives, getting an appointment with a specialist is a multi-month wait. I can always keep my current physicians, but that means a trip over the Bay Bridge and back. I have been driving over that bridge since I was a teenager. It is easily one of the scariest, if not the scariest bridge in the U.S., especially the westbound span when they are running two-way traffic.
 
Congratulations on your departure from the rat race!

I recently came to the same decision and moved from northern New York to southern, coastal Delaware, in search of better taxes and better weather.
Regarding taxes, property taxes are about 20% of what i was paying in New York, and there is no sales tax, so yay! However, there are two one-time taxes that surprised us: a tax based on the blue book value of vehicles when we registered them in the state, and a 4% transfer tax at closing when we bought the house (ouch).

With respect to the weather, it's quite a change for us to get above freezing every day during the winter, and our local news has weather forecasts for both the beaches and inland. weird.

Healthcare. Yeah, so about that. Beebe and Bay Health seem to be constantly investing in new doctors and facilities since the area just keeps growing, especially with retirees like us, but it's not an urban area with a plethora of options. Then again, Baltimore is only a two-hour drive, and it takes one right passed Stevensville.

Music store options are lame in comparison to what i'm used to but i have enough gear and very little GAS. well, in theory i have no GAS.

The pace of "lower and slower Delaware" fascinates me. I'm digging it.
Everything you've heard or read about traffic on Rt 1 is true. I avoid it at all costs. Using back roads is simple enough.

Hope this helps!
 
Maryland has those same taxes. Plus, one has to have any vehicle being registered in Maryland inspected before it can be tagged.

I know about avoiding Rt 1. I have visited the beaches on the Delmarva peninsula many times.

It is good to hear that steps are being taken to beef-up healthcare in southern DE. Upper middle income retirees boost the economy without impacting local school systems, but they tend to need more regular healthcare than younger residents.

If you are up for a road trip, Annapolis has a couple of nice small music stores and a drive to Wheaton, MD yield’s Chuck Levin’s Washington Music Center. There are very good deals to be had on local purchases of PRS and other name-brand guitars at Chuck’s. The prices on their website are basically works of fiction for local buyers. No local experienced buyer pays those prices.
 
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