Just Tryin’ To Do This Jigsaw Puzzle Before It Rains Anymore

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One of my best friends used to say, “Minor surgery is surgery on someone else.”

After putting the Pettyjohn Rare (lower right) on the pedalboard where their Edge pedal was previously, and deciding I liked the pedal and the location in the chain, I wanted to be able to use the Edge as well. And I wanted it before the modulation, EQ, H9s and Suhr boost.

So I pulled the Suhr boost (has sweepable mid boost that can be engaged) from its location upper right and put it next to the tuner et, Voila! No room for it! WTF.

All the pedals in the upper row had to be taken off and scooched over to the right a bit except the Edge that’s now upper right. It’s like a puzzle, this pedalboard thing.

But I created just enough space; it makes sense to have the Suhr boost after the mod pedals — now I have the boost built into the Pettyjohn Lift preamp/buffer/switchable boost I can kick in before the overdrives for extra juice, or use the Suhr boost post-modulation effects and pre-H9s that I use for delay and reverb mostly.

The two boosts also sound quite different. The one on the Lift (light blue pedal next to the expression pedal on the left) is set warm and syrupy, the Suhr boost is set clear and open.

This, to me, was major surgery and entailed some recabling in a couple of places.

So now I have 3 overdrives on the board, all set to low gain that sound somewhat different. I say ‘somewhat’ because I habitually set my pedals like I do my amps - I kinda make them sound similar out of habit! Dumb, but it's a habit.

The Rare on the lower right is in the Klon neighborhood with a more open top end. The Edge sounds kinda Tweed, and works best with the two Mesas when they’re set clean. The Chime Mk 2 (maroon pedal in the lower middle) is in a Vox direction and works best with the DG30.

Just one problem…

“What’s the problem?”

“I’m gonna need a bigger boat.”

Current (doesn’t look much different but pedaboarding is a game of millimeters)):

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Yesterday:

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[Edit] I forgot to mention how I set up the pedal chain.

Pettyjohn Lift >> Pettyjohn Rare >> Pettyjohn Edge >> Pettyjohn Chime 2 >> Pettyjohn Filter EQ (dark blue pedal next to H9s) >> Suhr Koji compressor >> Suhr Jackrabbit Tremolo >> Suhr Alexa bi-chorus >> Suhr Kokoboost >> tuner >> H9 #1 >> Normalled insert jacks on patch bay (can be used as an insert point or to separate the two H9s for use with two amps at the same time, or put H9 #2 into amp FX loop, etc) >> H9 #2 >> Output jack.

The expression pedal is used mostly with H9 #1 to alter delay times, speed or slow the rotary effect, use one of the H9 wahs that actually sound pretty darn good, etc.

With the Pettyjohn preamp/buffer/boost the signal is plenty clean and I don't lose high end. I don't use a pedal switcher.
 
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One of my best friends used to say, “Minor surgery is surgery on someone else.”

After putting the Pettyjohn Rare (lower right) on the pedalboard where their Edge pedal was previously, and deciding I liked the pedal and the location in the chain, I wanted to be able to use the Edge as well. And I wanted it before the modulation, EQ, H9s and Suhr boost.

So I pulled the Suhr boost (has sweepable mid boost that can be engaged) from its location upper right and put it next to the tuner et, Voila! No room for it! WTF.

All the pedals in the upper row had to be taken off and scooched over to the right a bit except the Edge that’s now upper right. It’s like a puzzle this pedalboard thing.

But I created just enough space; it makes sense to have the Suhr boost after the mod pedals — now I have the boost built into the Pettyjohn Lift preamp/buffer/switchable boost I can kick in before the overdrives for extra juice, or use the Suhr boost post-modulation effects and pre-H9s that I use for delay and reverb mostly.

The two boosts also sound quite different. The one on the Lift (light blue pedal next to the expression pedal on the left) is set warm and syrupy, the Suhr boost is set clear and open.

This, to me, was major surgery and entailed some recabling in a couple of places.

So now I have 3 overdrives on the board, all set to low gain that sound somewhat different. I say ‘somewhat’ because I habitually set my pedals like I do my amps - I kinda make them sound similar out of habit! Dumb, but it's a habit.

The Rare on the lower right is in the Klon neighborhood with a more open top end. The Edge sounds kinda Tweed, and works best with the two Mesas when they’re set clean. The Chime Mk 2 (maroon pedal in the lower middle) is in a Vox direction and works best with the DG30.

Just one problem…

“What’s the problem?”

“I’m gonna need a bigger boat.”

Current (doesn’t look much different but pedaboarding is a game of millimeters)):

UYO4v2X.jpg


Yesterday:

XffPtDc.jpg


[Edit] I forgot to mention how I set up the pedal chain.

Pettyjohn Lift >> Pettyjohn Rare >> Pettyjohn Edge >> Pettyjohn Chime 2 >> Pettyjohn Filter EQ (dark blue pedal next to H9s) >> Suhr Koji compressor >> Suhr Jackrabbit Tremolo >> Suhr Alexa bi-chorus >> Suhr Kokoboost >> tuner >> H9 #1 >> Normalled insert jacks on patch bay (can be used as an insert point or to separate the two H9s for use with two amps at the same time, or put H9 #2 into amp FX loop, etc) >> H9 #2 >> Output jack.

The expression pedal is used mostly with H9 #1 to alter delay times, speed or slow the rotary effect, use one of the H9 wahs that actually sound pretty darn good, etc.

With the Pettyjohn preamp/buffer/boost the signal is plenty clean and I don't lose high end. I don't use a pedal switcher.
Sure beats the hell outta movin' around amps ;~)) Looks tight and right!
 
Innards before today’s additions. Cables are Grimm, Evidence Audio and the red one is Van den Hul.

Not a gorgeous wiring job, but there’s no noise and it’s super easy to work on and change as needed. Nonetheless, KentuckyBoiledChiccan would never allow this kind of mess to infest one of his boards.

"Have you seen your very own personal innards, Laz?"

"My heart surgeon has; I've only seen X-rays."

"Trust me, your innards don't look any better organized than this. They don't even smell good. And this pedalboard opens right up without saws, scalpels, and bleeding. Yours are harder to get to."

"So I don't have to beat myself up because I didn't use cable tie mounts and route the wires neatly?"

"You should beat yourself up, just not over this."

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Side view showing patch bay. The black jack is input; red jack is output; green and yellow jacks are normalled insert points between the two H9s. White jack is for channel switching to the Mesa amps (when needed). Blue jack is for external expression pedal to H9 #2 (as needed, which means, 'almost never needed' 🤣).
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Well, darn. I was hoping this would be a thread about one of the Stones' weirder songs.

It spun my little head around at age 11, tell you what!
1968 - being as weird as possible was a big thing (and I guess I still am)!
And I had NO idea what to make of "Stray Cat Blues" at that age, from that same album.

:oops: :oops::rolleyes:o_O

=K
Different times, to be sure...
 
Speaking of weird things, I spent a good chunk of my day moving a few pedals around on a pedalboard, something most guitar players would do in two minutes and be done with.

As my wife says about my various gear-organizing obsessions, "It's a lot of work being you." 🤣
 
I love projects like these. Helps you focus on your spatial orientation and differential needs. Only caveat is to not attempt this with a baseball game on in the background, where you'd like to abandon ship, put your feet up ands enjoy the commentary beyond the 7th inning. Things are a little fuzzier then. It helps if you've got a template or online board builder diagram, otherwise the beauty of millimeters difference can be both an intriguing and exasperating game of making things fit perfectly.
 
Only caveat is to not attempt this with a baseball game on in the background
It was fun.

To show how completely out of sports reality I was while I was concentrating on this, I missed the Big Ten Championship basketball game. Michigan (my beloved alma mater) won the championship.

I didn't follow basketball this year, and had no idea they were even contenders.
 
I do have the H90 Dark. Among all factory presets there are two, which are nice.
Currently I'm still overwhelmed to arrange something by myself.

I don’t want to take over @László’s thread with H90 talk, but I went through a love/hate phase with the H90. Now, after moving past the five stages of grief, I’ve accepted that I likely won’t find an FX Loop unit better than the H90. There simply isn't a polyphonic device that tracks better than the algorithms on the H90. The polyphonic octavers and harmonizers are worth the price of admission for me.

I do struggle a bit with the tape delays. They aren’t bad—actually, they’re quite decent—but I can't seem to replicate the multihead delay pattern I used to get with the Volante. Currently, I’m using the Boquete delay across my board in various configurations, including two of them running in parallel with different time signatures, mix levels, and feedback settings to achieve that multihead vibe. Seems to work just fine.

Speaking of vibe, there’s no better Univibe algorithm than the one in the H90. As for reverbs, they’re the best in the business, ranging from subtle to atmospheric reverb blooms! I don't use many other forms of modulation, but I’ve recently become a big fan of their tape flanger with a very slow LFO. It’s a great alternative to chorus—sounding wider yet more cohesive without that '80s whishy-woshy effect. Oh and the Leslie stuff; sounds amazing, yet ramp up/down behaviour needs some work on Eventide side. The bass drum has a greater inertia in a physical unit, and should ramp up/down on a different speed that the horn. This is not reflected in the H90. Big shame.

The drive section is decent, but I don’t make much use of it. The biggest part of my acceptance involves the routing options; that’s a story for another time.
 
Love it, Les. You need to try the H90, though. It's time :)
On the one hand, the H90 has some new, really good algorithms, and is desirable. On the other hand, my H9s still sound great, are max'd and loaded with all the H9 algorithms and latest software, and they're in perfect condition.

There are times I'm ready to go to the H90 and times I think, "WTF, these are fine." I dunno. I go back and forth on this.

I do have the H90 Dark. Among all factory presets there are two, which are nice.
Currently I'm still overwhelmed to arrange something by myself.
I can't speak for living with the H90, but the H9 has wonderful algorithms, and I suspect the H90 does them one better.

The modulation effects are terrific, the wah effect is the best digital algorithm I've found, the ducked delays and multi-taps are killer, the reverbs are, as KBC says, the best in the business, the rotary is the best I've heard, the harmonic tremolo is unmatched, the bluetooth capability makes them easy to create presets for without crawling around on the floor to adjust them...honestly I could go on and on, and we're only talking about the H9s, when the H90 has more algorithms.

As far as I'm concerned, the Eventide effects are heads and shoulders more studio-capable than anything else on the market. If you haven't explored what the Eventide algorithms can do, it's worthwhile to get into the device.

The algorithms are based on the classic H3000 d/se I had for years in my studio, and they're easier to work with.
 
I don’t want to take over @László’s thread with H90 talk .... better than the algorithms on the H90.
My introduction to hijacked threads, IIRC, involved Les & a detour into hot dogs.

When I scanned over the above, for a second I thought @KentuckyBoiledChiccan might be referring a variant of Nvidia's H100 AI/GPU chip.
 
My concerns are: The H90 was designed, because a lot of H9 users took two.
Hence: You're fine with your devices. And without special routing, one could be taken for pre-effects, the other one independently in the loop.
 
If my feeble eyesight is correct, you now have 4 instead of 5 PettyJohn pedals on the board? If so, this relieves me greatly as they now are in numeric symmetry with the Suhr pedals. Sound be damned, the symmetry matters! I may have a slight obsessive issue though. I rearrange the eggs in the carton to minimize the polar moment of inertia of the eggs. Aside from my issues, that pedalboard looks great. I’ll note that I like dual lock or Velcro, because it makes this sort of rearrangement much easier.

Nice work, and it appears nothing and no one was appreciably harmed.
 
If my feeble eyesight is correct, you now have 4 instead of 5 PettyJohn pedals on the board?
Nope, I have 5 instead of 4. The top picture is my current board. The second picture is the previous setup.
If so, this relieves me greatly as they now are in numeric symmetry with the Suhr pedals. Sound be damned, the symmetry matters!
No relief for you! 😂
I may have a slight obsessive issue though. I rearrange the eggs in the carton to minimize the polar moment of inertia of the eggs.
You're a better man than I, but you knew that already!
Aside from my issues, that pedalboard looks great. I’ll note that I like dual lock or Velcro, because it makes this sort of rearrangement much easier.
I do, too. Dual Lock is great, though I find Velcro is easier for me to work with. If I do the press and then rock the pedal back and forth to fully engage the two surfaces when installing a pedal, it will seriously stay put.

To take off a pedal that's velcro'd in place, a plastic putty knife will separate the two velcro pieces without damaging it, or the pedal.

For dual lock, I've seen people use crowbars and screwdrivers as levers to get the pedals off the board, something I'd never do because that'd damage the pedal.
Nice work, and it appears nothing and no one was appreciably harmed.
Thank you!
 
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