Investing in a Bernie

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Most guitars start to de-value the minute you've bought them. Considering how well received the Bernie has been received and that they've been discontinued do you think they will go up in value ? I know it can happen - my JV Strat is worth a lot more than I paid for it.
 
Most guitars start to de-value the minute you've bought them. Considering how well received the Bernie has been received and that they've been discontinued do you think they will go up in value ? I know it can happen - my JV Strat is worth a lot more than I paid for it.

I paid more for mine than I wanted to, but no-one else bid on the Bernie. Used Bernies seem to be a tough sale now. Most guitars in the GBP 500 range or above, seem to have a tough time selling - several I watched did not sell or only had 1 offer.

Seems to be a buyers market right now...
 
Please remember that quality is never the determining factor in price. Rarity is #1 in guitars, followed by demand. There a number of undervalued PRS on the market at any given time.
 
Yeah, I was looking (on eBay) at a used SC245 and a 2000 Singlecut McCarty. Both had minimum bids that I thought were quite reasonable. For less than half the price of a new SC 245 I could have gotten a used one in great condition. However, neither guitar sold.

I also saw a 2003 LP standard going for a very reasonable price (about half of new). There was only 1 bid on it. I guess if you had bought these used guitars, they might be an investment since they probably won't depreciate much, but unless you get a good deal you may never recover your investment.
 
Exactly it's supply & demand, & has nothing to do with quality, & little to do with condition, though of course unless it's a vintage or relic model you can expect damage to influence price.
Thing is too with second hand via Ebay etc, you don't get to see it IRL before purchase in most instances, so it's natural for buyers to be deterred if there is any damage, or if the guitar is old.

I think that how much a guitar is worth is very subjective.
If you play it, it feels & looks great & sounds really good it's worth whatever you're willing to pay, or have paid.
On the other hand even if it's a vintage with history, unless you're a collector or investor (or tech), a guitar that's not in working order or that needs some work is not a good buy.

What I can say from experience though, is whatever PRS you buy, new, second hand, from a store, online, or whatever, is that it's going to have superior build quality in any price range compared to most other guitars, will be made with quality materials, & you're much less likely to have trouble down the track with warping or neck turning, as the wood is properly aged & dried, something some are pretty lax with.

The SE singlecut I bought brand new from a store that turned out to be 4 years old, & was clearance stock is the best guitar I've bought, or have owned to date, including a 1975 Gibson.
An Epiphone ES 339 pro I bought only a few months prior to my single cut, is already showing uneven frets, the action & intonation went out when I changed strings (but kept with the original gauge), & the finishing is nowhere near as good as an SE. I suspect the neck has turned a little too; something that doesn't happen with quality wood that is properly aged & honed prior to being fitted to a guitar body.

What I'm saying in a nutshell, is when you invest in a guitar, PRS or otherwise, if you're a player, it's an investment in your passion for playing.
Whether it turns out to be a financial investment, or it depreciates in value is not as important as how much joy you get from owning & playing the instrument.

If you just want an investment guitar, then buy the most expensive vintage or rare guitar you can & put it in a glass case, lest it get fingerprints or scratches on it from being used!

Remember, the 1950's Gibson Les Pauls didn't start appreciating in value until after they'd been discontinued, & even then didn't start to get to ludicrous values until they were 20 years old or so.
So don't expect a guitar to appreciate within the first 10 years of ownership.
Today's bargain could be tomorrows much sought after instrument/investment!
 
Extremely unlikely. Although mine is worth £1,000,000... But only to me. I doubt I'd get anywhere close to what I paid for it even with all the upgrades.

Of course... If you become famous or it's used by a famous guitarist on a classic song/record then yes. But that's about it.
 
Thanks for that Mike; I was about to feed my dog, but had to look at your demo, & found myself down the rabbit hole looking at & jamming to Youtube tracks.
Looks like someone's going to have a later meal than expected, but it was worth it.
really like your work on the BM demo BTW!
I'm sure the new headstocks will see lots of us updating our collections.
Now you can have multiple SE's with the PRS signature for a fraction of the price of a core model!
 
Locally sterling in the UK has recently lost about 20% to the dollar, and that will start to come into new guitar pricing very soon if not already so probably a good time to buy ahead of any rise.
 
Predicting the guitar market is like betting in Las Vegas, house odds at best. While I think these guitars are cool, you are not going to retire any time soon. The guitar market is fickle and trendy. In my college days, 50's and 60's Les Pauls and Strats were old mans guitars and worth nothing. 59 Les pauls commonly sold for 3 to 4k, not $700k or $2 million in the case of the peter green Lester.

A second change in the marketplace is Ebay and Reverb. Now you can do a full market analysis of what is out there and developing a pricing strategy of your own. 10 years ago, the sellers set the price, now the buyers are based on higher visibility of the inventory in the marketplace. They could charge you whatever they were able to talk you into what the guitar is worth. Today, not so much.

I also think there is price elasticity due to the volume of guitars on the market. Deals are won or lost over $50 and shipping costs. It is a jungle out there.
 
I got a decent deal on my '15 Bernie. I still probably paid $50 too much if I had waited or worked on the dealer a bit, but the entire buying process took less than 15 minutes once I decided what I wanted to get. That extra 50 bucks savings that might have been possible would have taken hours or even days of effort to get there. I doubt I could get much more than I paid for it, but I don't care because I am a player and have enough means to get by. Maybe it will be worth something in 20 years, but in the mean time or at least until I attempt an upgrade it will be well played as long as I can strum a chord.
 
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