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I have two questions.

1- does running more than one OD box in a row produce great tone? I've never done it but I have heard it works well. I know it's a matter of opinion but is it better than one OD box?

2-what are your opinions on which OD boxes best drive marshall super leads?
 
I don't know that I'm really qualified to weigh in, but I'll give it a shot:
1) I've done this mostly for sh!ts-n-giggles, although it can produce some wicked tones. I would suppose it depends on what two ODs are being used, and what you're trying to accomplish. If it's just a heavier distorted tone, personally I would look for a "heavier" pedal. If you're looking for a little something extra, see 2

2) I would HIGHLY recommend checking out a Suhr Koko Boost Reloaded. It's a boost pedal, and the best I've ever heard. I run it in front of my HXDA and it sounds unbelievable. I had intended to pair it with an OD, or distortion pedal using the boost to push the OD over the top, but it doesn't need it. There are some great demoes of it. As for OD makers, I like Wampler, Bearfoot and JHS, just to name a few. You'd have to check out their offerings to see what best fits what you're looking for.

Good luck!
 
How may Drives you run depends on your style !!
You can stack pedals with great effect ( often smoother longer sustaining than one pedals alone )
An Overdrive and a Fuzz paired together give you lots of options.
My newest pedal board pairs my PRS H has a 2 Channel OD and a single channel fuzz for tons of fun. ( second pic below )








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1) Absolutely they can. Stress on 'can' -- it doesn't always work, but when it works, stacking pedals can sound better than any one pedal by itself. Stacking dirt pedals is definitely a thing, and the best way to find out is to try it. There are even pedals that are two dirt pedals pre-stacked for you. It can get pretty crazy. Qualification -- analog only, I would never stack digital pedals. Or I would never stack pedals before a digital pedal, or at least I would make sure that I'm not overloading the ADC in a digital pedal.

2) No idea.
 
A picture and a demo are worth 1000 words. Here is LA session ace Tim Pierce demonstrating how he uses his pedalboard on major label sessions. At about 2:50 in, he discusses stacking pedals (he calls it running them in tandem, same thing).

It's not something I particularly like the tone of, but lots of people do. So without further ado, here's the demo:

 
It's funny, one of the first things he says is "...and arguably it might've started to compress and collapse a little bit..."

Absolutely -- distortion includes a form of compression -- distortion is when you're hitting the 'ceiling' (my term, not sure what the correct term is) of a circuit, so in all cases (that I know of), it starts to fold back in on itself, never does the distortion do the opposite -- become more dynamic than the same signal without the circuit. I think that's called an expander.

But this compression can be a desired effect. A lot of metal, hard rock, and psychedelic guitarists want this inherent compression, and know how to take advantage of it. It's a sound. And it's a sound that some guys go after. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with Les' way of doing things, either -- that's another sound, too (and a very desirable one, if I may say so).
 
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Absolutely -- distortion includes a form of compression -- distortion is when you're hitting the 'ceiling' (my term, not sure what the correct term is) of a circuit, so in all cases (that I know of), it starts to fold back in on itself, never does the distortion do the opposite -- become more dynamic than the same signal without the circuit.

Yes! Overdrive distortion is also called "clipping." That is because the sine wave, instead of being curved at the top of its waveform, becomes "clipped off" because it has exhausted its headroom - in fact, it starts to become a square wave. A Fuzz pedal generates the most extreme distorted square waves, one reason it has a very identifiable sound.

Check out a synth whose oscillators will generate both sine and square waves, and you'll immediately recognize the difference.

Because there's no more headroom, instead of getting more volume as you increase the input gain or the guitar volume, the signal simply saturates and compresses; thus the bass becomes mushier and fattens up, and all the usual overdrive or fuzz artifacts present themselves to a greater degree.

Of course, this can be accomplished by a single pedal, several pedals, the amp alone, or some combination of pedals and amp. There are no rules.

The reason I don't stack distortion pedals is simply to preserve some of the attack and articulation of the note that is often obscured by stacked distortion pedals. However, lately I don't use distortion pedals. I use a boost pedal to get the amp into additional overdrive instead.

No particular biggie, I just like the way it sounds when I do it that way.

Sometimes I'll stack a compression pedal on the boost pedal if I want a more compressed distorted tone, because then I can control the attack and release points of when the compressor kicks in, to preserve the note attack and decay. I also find that the bass doesn't mush up as much using a boost as opposed to a dirt box in front of an overdriven amp.

As I said, no rules...it's all in how you want to control what comes out of that speaker cab...
 
Saw I guy yesterday at the LINE 6 Helix demo stacking OD pedals. I didn't really care for the sound, but others in the audience sure liked it. In general I am not a big user of pedals (my pedal board consists of a total of 5 very basic pedals), so I am not well qualified to discuss but I am with bodia - Try out the Suhr Koko Boost Reloaded. A recent and great addition to my sound (Thanks to Les :))
 
I have an opportunity to use an old marshall super lead complete with 4x12 greenback cab for a couple of shows.I don't want high gain, I want that badass old school overdriven marshall sound. That's why I'm asking. I have no problems buying OD pedal just for this.
 
I'm a fan of stacking.. well just about everything! There's an amount of signal degradation or attenuation that works like subtractive eq that can really smooth out some spikes once you start chaining things together. Like you loose a lil' bit-o-top and bottom and the mids can poke out pleasantly if you don't abuse the gain.

My answer to your second question will probably be unpopular (as most of my pedal choices are) in that I really like a simple and cheap Boss DS1or OD1 in front of Marshalls.
 
My answer to your second question will probably be unpopular (as most of my pedal choices are) in that I really like a simple and cheap Boss DS1or OD1 in front of Marshalls.

It's certainly a classic approach, and I've seen lots of great session players use exactly those pedals in front of a Marshall - and other amps!
 
I have an opportunity to use an old marshall super lead complete with 4x12 greenback cab for a couple of shows.I don't want high gain, I want that badass old school overdriven marshall sound. That's why I'm asking. I have no problems buying OD pedal just for this.

I'll caution you that the badass, old-school, overdriven Marshall sound isn't really all that easy to get with a Marshall until you REALLY get those tubes cooking. They're rated at 100 watts BEFORE they really start clipping. Some folks have measured Marshalls at 180 watts at full boogie. Lots of guys who have never played a Super Lead are disappointed because they don't give up the goods until they're deafeningly loud. IMHO, an attenuator is a must for these amps, in order to get the power tubes driving to distortion. Of course, a pedal can really help as well.
 
Thanks Brad. That's kind of what I was thinking too. I used to have one of these back in the day and one time I tried to run it full boil. I just could not get over how loud the dam thing was. Back then I ran a boss HM2 in front of it. The tone wasn't great but i ran a lot more OD then than I do now.

I have a marshall power break but I dont want to blow it up. I tried it on my 5150 and liked it at first but grew to not like it. Itwas too harsh for me. I sure would like to get my hands on those cabs.

Anyway it's a head and both cabs from 1973. Would be cool to own it.
 
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