I Still Like Big Amps and Stuff.

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I hear all these wonderful low power amps, and I am mightily impressed by a few of them, but I still like the bigger amps. Yeah, they're louder. But I think they are more to my taste in the National Department of Fullness and Headroom.

Back in 1966 I daisy-chained two 1x12 Ampeg Reverberocket IIs to get the kind of fullness my friends were getting with their Twins and Bandmasters. In '68 I got myself a BF Bassman 50 Watt head and what seemed like a gigantic (at the time) 4x12 cab that Fender was making for it. I replaced it after a very long time with one of the first 85 Watt Mesa Tremoverbs. I went on to buy a lot more amps over the years, most of the 50-100 watt variety.

Every time I bought an amp with less than 30 watts of power, it didn't stay very long. 30 Watts seemed to be my floor.

In fact, I found I couldn't really gig with a 30 watt amp unless it was a very loud one, like a Vox AC30. It's not that I play all that loud, I'm a moderation kind of player, but I like the headroom and the ability to cut through a mix using the guitar's volume and tone controls as needed.

And I seem to like 2x12s a lot more than 1x12s. I like the phasing and swirl that a 2x12 has, not to mention the fuller sound.

To be able to record with fewer room mode issues, I went from a 50 watt HXDA through a 2x12 to a 30 through a 1x12. There isn't that much tone difference between the 30 and the 50 once they're dialed in properly, and since I close-mic a cab when recording it's not that big a deal, but I miss the push the 50 had from time to time just being in the room, and while I love the 1x12 for recording, I'm a 2x12 guy all the way for everything else, and plan to get another 2x12 for that amp (I have a DG 2x12 PRS cab, but it's ported, and I like closed back with the HXDA).

I like chamber music a lot, but I also need to hear Beethoven's Fifth with a full orchestra!

So there you have it - let's hear your thinking on amplifier power and speaker cab sizes.
 
I agree with you. Not to sound like an overly macho neanderthal, but bigger is better!!
I only use a small 5 watt amp because at the moment I mainly play/record in my spare bedroom and I think the neighbours would have something to say If i started cranking my brother's Marshall TSL60 (which I borrow when I do get to play loud).

I think there is definitely a need for both big and small amps, the real struggle is finding a tone you love on one that you can replicate on the other. I find I'll be playing away to myself thinking "damn this sounds killer" only to find that I struggle to get that when I go to gig or practice with a band, and vice versa.

This is possible an argument for modelling amps, you can buy a small 10 watt amp and its bigger 100 watt counterpart and create near enough the exact same tones for both live playing and home and studio practice.
 
I agree I have not really bonded with an amp below 60 watts so far ( My Tweaker 15 is fun and sounds better with a bigger cab but would never be my main amp )
I am thinking a Mark 5 / 25 might change my mind
 
I don't always like amps, but when I do... I like 'em BIG! (just so long as somebody else is schlepping them around)
 
I don't always like amps, but when I do... I like 'em BIG! (just so long as somebody else is schlepping them around)

It's good to have schleppers.

Once I was a schlepper
Now I'm Miss Mizepper
 
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I agree as well, I like 100 watts too with a 4x12. But...I run a volume pedal in a Boss effect board with the delay to bring down the volume with my Archon in 100 watt mode. I roll back the volume pedal and it maintains a massive tone with lower volume!
 
I was 16 in 1966. Yet I still make my living writing and producing music.

How about you? :)

More to the point, do you like big amps or the weenie ones?

I'm not going to lie Les; I want to be like you when I grow up! At 37 I finally decided to take this guitar thing seriously. By 60, I may be ready!

I am unfortunately a weenie amp guy. The drummer in my band has V Drums, I can literally hear my pick hitting the strings acoustically during our shows....
 
I finally decided to take this guitar thing seriously. By 60, I may be ready!

Just think how good you'll be at 80. :top:

Of course by then you'll need a big amp just to, you know, hear the thing at all.

This.
Even on the ten watt setting I can barely turn the volume knob without blowing me away.
Gotta take mine somewhere sometime so I can let it run free and wide open.

Given that doubling the power only increases the volume by 3 db, and a decibel is the smallest measurable increment in human hearing, 10 watts can still be plenty loud!

For me the big amp isn't about getting the highest volume, that's not all that important. But a higher power output section of an amp also changes the tone a bit.

Still, the MarkV 25 is a very impressive small amp.
 
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I used to gig a 100 watt head through a 4x12, in a hard rock group. It sounded great, but the weight and size were just too much. Other small amps I tried were either small in tone or short on features. There are a few things about my 30 watt PRS amp that make it a proper solution with a smaller footprint. And that is something that PRS does very well, make moderately powered amps that aren't a tonal or functional compromise despite their power rating. First, the tone is FAT - oversized deep cab, massive transformers, and overall design and circuitry that put out a full time that never sounds like a toy. Second, features, I'm the two channel type and finding a 2 channel amp at lower power with full EQ on each side isn't easy. I have tried Peavey Classics, Fender HRD's, Egnater Tweaker 40, and a few different Marshalls, and while I admit those aren't top of the line amps, their lack of tone shaping on each channel certainly doesn't help. Third, when it comes to headroom, any gig requiring more than 30 watts of clean power is going to need a PA for vocals. As much as I love blowing people over with my amp, it's usually a more uniform sonic product for the audience if we mic up and use the PA.

A friend of mine plays drums in band in Boston, their lead guitarist plays through a Marshall JCM2000 half stack... it's LOUD and yet has zero cut. Then one night he brought out an AC30 and it was friggin magical.

30-50 watts is where it's at for me, with a 2x12. Plenty of volume, but a lot more manageable package.

Dang us young kids.
 
Dang us young kids.

Get off my lawn!

Hey I'm running two 30 watt amps these days, too, youngster.

And yeah, AC30s are super-wonderful amps and I plan to start begging Doug Sewell to make a PRS version of the design soon!
 
I was 16 in 1966. Yet I still make my living writing and producing music.

How about you? :)

More to the point, do you like big amps or the weenie ones?
I was 1 in 1966. And if you were married to my wife and had my guitar skills youd think a 5 watt weenie amp was the cats meow.
LOL :D
 
My family room rig.



50w head through a 412 cab. Number 2 amp is 100w Suhr in the bullpen warming up.

Did we already establish that you're my hero of the day, or should I make that formal award now? ;)

And if you were married to my wife and had my guitar skills youd think a 5 watt weenie amp was the cats meow.
LOL :D

Maybe I should be married to her for just long enough to start missing my amps? :)
 
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