Holy Grail Amp in the House!!!

That one's pretty special, indeed. And it's what CAD was originally intended to be - a true custom amp shop. I guess it wasn't to stay that way for long, and they got the idea to go offshore to get cheaper stuff.

It probably would have been something like PS or WL if they'd stuck with it.
Totally agree! I know it’s the way of things, but I do wish it had remained the Private Stock of amps. There have always been the faked versions of good things, the ever-present attempt make a more cheaply constructed and commonly accessible grail from a holy one. I get the business model, but it seems to me that there should remain a genuine Holy Grail, if that makes sense, even once you’ve created mass numbers of the cheapened one. I started typing a long diatribe on why I hate having to wade through 50 Strats to find which one is the real American one or similar rant, but I think you already understand the point based on your comments. Quality will always have a home.
 
personally, I think the Celestions sound closest to the originals. But, the Scumbacks can be ordered for different power levels, which is nice.
I have to agree. I also preferred them to the others just for general openness of tone. I thought the Ted Webers sounded very meaty which isn't a bad thing, and are a great alternative for something that's a bit different.

Still. I'd go for the Celestions if I was in the market for that kind of speaker.

I'll admit that I generally prefer Celestions to most brands for whatever the reason. I liked the Eminence least, but that's just personal preference. Eminence speakers often seem to have a somewhat compressed sound that I don't care for, but that doesn't mean they're not fine speakers. It just means they aren't my thing.
 
the Scumbacks can be ordered for different power levels, which is nice.
Just remember, that any time you have higher powered versions of the same speaker available, the almost universal rule is that the more power it can handle, the less high end it will have, and probably more, or at least more solid, low end as well. I think this is why I've preferred the 65 watt greenback types over a regular greenback, because unless you have a big 4x12 full of greenbacks, they can be bright and lack bass.
 
Just remember, that any time you have higher powered versions of the same speaker available, the almost universal rule is that the more power it can handle, the less high end it will have, and probably more, or at least more solid, low end as well.
It's true, they often have different sonic characteristics. The lower powered speakers tend to use lighter cones, smaller magnets, and as a result often have less midrange and bottom end.

There isn't always more high end with a less powerful speaker, though, even when they seem to be brighter.

The high frequencies can be just as bright in a high powered version - we simply perceive them differently because they're balanced out by the mid and low frequencies. This is the result of frequency masking and how our ears/brains perceive sound.

Here's a good example:

If you look at the graphs Celestion publishes, the G12 H 75 Creamback actually has more high frequency content than the G12 H 65 Creamback by about 5dB. But the 75s also have more bass and midrange. So they don't SEEM to have as much high end, when in fact, they have more.

The same is true of the 70 Watt V-type vs the 60 Watt Vintage 30. The V-type has more low mid and bottom end. But people think it has less top end, when in fact it has slightly brighter high end.

So it's often more a matter of more bass and midrange affecting how we perceive the high frequencies, than actually having more high frequencies.

I'm pointing this out because some of us do a bit of recording with higher powered speakers (I often record the 90W speakers in my Lone Star, f'rinstance). Instead of increasing the high end with EQ if you want more sparkle, the better practice is to take some low end and midrange out in order to achieve the desired perception of brightness. This way, you're not drowning out the cymbals, acoustic guitars, or breathy vocals, etc.

You don't want to be forced to bring up all the rest of the high frequencies to compensate for over-EQing the high frequencies on a guitar speaker, because you can wind up with a shrill sounding mix.

I'm sure DTR is aware of this because he knows audio, and is using the term "less high end" as shorthand for "less perceived high end" -- as a practical matter the lower powered speaker will indeed seem brighter to the listener, and he's right as rain in that regard.

For recordists, however, it's useful to know this in order to avoid mix mistakes.

You also might want to scoop out some lows and mids if you want, say, a more vintage amp sound, not only because vintage lower powered speakers have a different response, but also because lower powered amps have different low-end responses.
 
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Andy, how's life with the HXDA now that it's settled in for a few weeks? Still digging it?

Oh yeah!!!

My Studio Slip cover came in a week or two ago, and it fits on the cab perfectly. I took the amp out to my drummer pal's house before I had the cover, and it was a mildly nerve racking experience! I went for double padded, and that's gonna be a tough luxury to pass on for future covers - I do think I'll be ordering more. Fortunately a lot of the newer PRS gear is often standard sizes, so covers will fit multiple pieces of gear. This 2x12 cover for the HXDA cab will also fit my paisley and HDRX 2x12's, so that makes the cost sting a lot less.

Speaking of taking the amp out - it performed really well with a drum kit! My buddy is a loud player (drummers, aren't they all?) and the 30 watts was just enough to keep up with him nicely. It should be a perfect volume for self-monitoring if needed. I'm very happy with that, I'm a firm believer that there's a certain point where additional amp watts create just as many problems as they solve in a live scenario, and it's better to be running through the system and getting a better sound spread from the mains, than blasting more out of the cab to try and keep up. At least in the kind of scenarios I'd be playing in.

Still strongly considering the G12H30 replacement for one of the V30's in the cab. The amp and cab actually sound really good with the V30's, which isn't always my experience, but the G12H would bring some of that classic voicing.
 
Oh yeah!!!

My Studio Slip cover came in a week or two ago, and it fits on the cab perfectly. I took the amp out to my drummer pal's house before I had the cover, and it was a mildly nerve racking experience! I went for double padded, and that's gonna be a tough luxury to pass on for future covers - I do think I'll be ordering more. Fortunately a lot of the newer PRS gear is often standard sizes, so covers will fit multiple pieces of gear. This 2x12 cover for the HXDA cab will also fit my paisley and HDRX 2x12's, so that makes the cost sting a lot less.

Speaking of taking the amp out - it performed really well with a drum kit! My buddy is a loud player (drummers, aren't they all?) and the 30 watts was just enough to keep up with him nicely. It should be a perfect volume for self-monitoring if needed. I'm very happy with that, I'm a firm believer that there's a certain point where additional amp watts create just as many problems as they solve in a live scenario, and it's better to be running through the system and getting a better sound spread from the mains, than blasting more out of the cab to try and keep up. At least in the kind of scenarios I'd be playing in.

Still strongly considering the G12H30 replacement for one of the V30's in the cab. The amp and cab actually sound really good with the V30's, which isn't always my experience, but the G12H would bring some of that classic voicing.
Good choice on the cover; Studio Slips or Tuki have always been a good choice. They fit right, wear really well, and even look good on the amp. I always figured the cost was recouped in the hit I don’t take if a later sale happens, and it’s a wise thing to protect your gear anyway. Good move!

I’ll be interested to hear what you think of the speaker match if you try it. Hate to admit it, but I’ve never tried speaker “mismatches’ of any kind really. I remember thinking “I only get one amp mic in the band mix… which do I mic then?” lol Such are the musings of an idiot guitar player! I put together a standard 1960A cab with older greenbacks for the HXDAs, and it sounds glorious, but I normally grab a 2x12 cab whenever I take them out. Those are either paired V30s or creambacks to match the 50 watters that I have. I really should try a few speaker swaps just to see what it brings to the game.

Awesome to hear (but no surprise at all) that you’re still digging that amp. They’ll only get more valuable, both in use and monetarily, over time.
 
Still strongly considering the G12H30 replacement for one of the V30's in the cab. The amp and cab actually sound really good with the V30's, which isn't always my experience, but the G12H would bring some of that classic voicing.
I know you and I are on the same page with the PRS version V30s. I do think they sound great clean, but harsh with gain, which is true of all V30s I've tried. I have been happy with the Warehouse speakers I've tried and am considering one more to try in my PRS cab since it already has an ET90 in it. Scumbacks are great but double the price and I already have one in there so I might just get one more Warehouse for now.
 
Oh yeah!!!

My Studio Slip cover came in a week or two ago, and it fits on the cab perfectly. I took the amp out to my drummer pal's house before I had the cover, and it was a mildly nerve racking experience! I went for double padded, and that's gonna be a tough luxury to pass on for future covers - I do think I'll be ordering more. Fortunately a lot of the newer PRS gear is often standard sizes, so covers will fit multiple pieces of gear. This 2x12 cover for the HXDA cab will also fit my paisley and HDRX 2x12's, so that makes the cost sting a lot less.

Speaking of taking the amp out - it performed really well with a drum kit! My buddy is a loud player (drummers, aren't they all?) and the 30 watts was just enough to keep up with him nicely. It should be a perfect volume for self-monitoring if needed. I'm very happy with that, I'm a firm believer that there's a certain point where additional amp watts create just as many problems as they solve in a live scenario, and it's better to be running through the system and getting a better sound spread from the mains, than blasting more out of the cab to try and keep up. At least in the kind of scenarios I'd be playing in.

Still strongly considering the G12H30 replacement for one of the V30's in the cab. The amp and cab actually sound really good with the V30's, which isn't always my experience, but the G12H would bring some of that classic voicing.
Sounds like you're enjoying it, which is excellent!

I've played mine through the V30s in the cab I've been using with it, plus a 2x12 with C-90s, the 4x10 with creambacks, the Grissom cab with its ported 2x12 V-30s, and the alnico Blackbirds I had in the Fillmore 2x12.

It sounded great through everything but the alnico Blackbirds, but that's a very brightly voiced speaker. However, it still sounds best with the deep back closed 2x12 with the V-30s (or maybe I'm just so used to the combination after ten years that I'm not as crazy about it with the others).

It'd be interesting to hear it with a G12H30 as one o the speakers.

When you took it to play out, did you dime the master and use the amp old-school? I mean, mine gets pretty freaking LOUD when I do that! Certainly loud enough to hang with most drummers...I wear earplugs when I do that.
 
Sounds like you're enjoying it, which is excellent!

I've played mine through the V30s in the cab I've been using with it, plus a 2x12 with C-90s, the 4x10 with creambacks, the Grissom cab with its ported 2x12 V-30s, and the alnico Blackbirds I had in the Fillmore 2x12.

It sounded great through everything but the alnico Blackbirds, but that's a very brightly voiced speaker. However, it still sounds best with the deep back closed 2x12 with the V-30s (or maybe I'm just so used to the combination after ten years that I'm not as crazy about it with the others).

It'd be interesting to hear it with a G12H30 as one o the speakers.

When you took it to play out, did you dime the master and use the amp old-school? I mean, mine gets pretty freaking LOUD when I do that! Certainly loud enough to hang with most drummers...I wear earplugs when I do that.

I did - in a bigger space I may not have needed to, but the space we were in, I wasn’t very far from him, so his drums were loud that close in. I will say, the HXDA master is excellent, on my load box it doesn’t sound all that different cranked up vs moderate volume, so I wouldn’t have been disappointed even if I hadn’t. I usually wear earplugs, but it had been a bit since I’d heard an unadulterated, good old cranking amp with a drummer, so…
 
Small update - I tweaked the bias up to about 36mV the other day, and it gave the amp a small dose of "rude," in a very good way. When I first got it, it was biased fairly cold, 25-27mV if memory serves, and at the time, kicking it up to about 32 was an improvement. But this is better yet. Don't want to go too much more, we'll see how long the power tubes last. They aren't expensive or rare, so it won't be a big loss if they wear faster.
 
If memory serves, PRS recommended 30-35 mV. So 36 shouldn't be a problem.
It does! 30 was the stock setting in the CAD videos I found, though I’m sure they tweaked them by ear from there. Tubes will wear a little faster at 37, but it won’t hurt the amp a bit. @andy474x has the glow going on!
 
Yes, 30 seems to be their standard for most of the amps.
It does! 30 was the stock setting in the CAD videos I found
Makes sense. I haven't rebiased mine since installing the Siemens tubes several years ago, so I don't remember the settings offhand, but I usually go for the factory settings. I figure if I liked the tone when I bought it, I keep it that way.
 
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