Getting replaced sucks

Our sound engineer was part of an album production that won some Grammys and he watches tv on his phone during service. Our new e.guitarist plays for some heavy metal band at small bars...but only a few folks know about it. Our drummer's purpose appears to be get content for his YT channel cus he always has a GoPro.

They want quality performance while sacrificing the heart of the worship.
Maybe you should let it rest. Putting out this kind of stuff on public forums might not be something that benefits you or your ministry in the end.

And I will not be the one who throws a rock, haven knows I have my opinions, but lets call this a friendly gesture.
 
Maybe you should let it rest. Putting out this kind of stuff on public forums might not be something that benefits you or your ministry in the end.

And I will not be the one who throws a rock, haven knows I have my opinions, but lets call this a friendly gesture.
I mean I did start this thread for opinions so you dont need to stop. I need to stop.
 
Metallica kicked out Dave Mustaine in the early days when the band was on the east coast, basically letting him fend for himself and find his own way home before they had any money or resources. Things turned out okay for him (from a music standpoint). You’ll be fine, just find another group of people to play with. This kind of stuff happens all the time in bands.
 
Metallica kicked out Dave Mustaine in the early days when the band was on the east coast, basically letting him fend for himself and find his own way home before they had any money or resources. Things turned out okay for him (from a music standpoint). You’ll be fine, just find another group of people to play with. This kind of stuff happens all the time in bands.
Yeah, I have two gigs booked already XD. These arent just play the guitar but to lead worship. It's weird but maybe things do happen for a reason.
 
Metallica kicked out Dave Mustaine in the early days Things turned out okay for him
Define Okay...LOL.

So OP Has A Lot To Look Forward To...Drug Abuse/Addicition, Alcohol Abuse/Addicition, Divorce, Band Woes And Countless Member Changes, Health Issues, Etc. 🤣

Thank God For Isaiah 53 And Matthew 8:17, Etc :)
 
Again, this is just not applicable. This is a volunteer position, to which you're appointed. If your grand daughter takes an acting position in a play, does she get to tell the director who he can add to the cast?

My granddaughter does professional theater. She is under a written contract that has rules. She and the producers are also governed by the rules of Actors Equity, the union that stage actors belong to in real deal theater. If they replace an actor, they have the obligation to tell the actor.

The situation is not analogous to the OP volunteering under the aegis of a religious institution - where, especially after volunteering and participating, I’d think you’d have the expectation to be treated with appreciation, respect and caring, instead of being hung out to dry.
 
I'm coming into this thread late.

Sounds like you are making a molehill out of a molehill.

As my father used to remark "No one said life was fair".

Time to put your chin up and move on. Life is full of rejections and disappointments, which typically lead to good things.
 
I'm coming into this thread late.

Sounds like you are making a molehill out of a molehill.

As my father used to remark "No one said life was fair".

Time to put your chin up and move on. Life is full of rejections and disappointments, which typically lead to good things.
Well, there were lots of remarks made, many by me, that wouldn't have been made if all the info was shared up front. I made multiple posts based on OPs first few comments, that I would not have made after the details he added about page 4 because they changed what we knew considerably.
 
My granddaughter does professional theater. She is under a written contract that has rules. She and the producers are also governed by the rules of Actors Equity, the union that stage actors belong to in real deal theater. If they replace an actor, they have the obligation to tell the actor.

The situation is not analogous to the OP volunteering under the aegis of a religious institution - where, especially after volunteering and participating, I’d think you’d have the expectation to be treated with appreciation, respect and caring, instead of being hung out to dry.
Not sure why they value "paid" musicians over volunteers despite talent being equal. The "professional" musicians that our church has hired are just regular dudes with no jobs and all they have to go off of is say they play drums or something. Are they good? Yes. But why aren't they working as a musician at a studio or on tours with bands. Peabody used to mean something but even dudes who went to Peabody can't get a job as a professional musicians but rather they're working as realtors or some odd jobs. These folks aren't that good and if they were good they probably won't be seen at a mega-church...sorry for the rant guys
 
Musicians Getting Paid Now A Days? Is There Such A Thing? Almost All The Successful Musicians Now A Days Got That Way From Selling Merch, Not Music...LOL.

Kidding...But Not Really.

PM Me For My Latest Merch And A 15% Off Code Before It Goes Public And Everybody Else Has It Before You Do.

#FOMO
#Hustler
 
Not sure why they value "paid" musicians over volunteers despite talent being equal. The "professional" musicians that our church has hired are just regular dudes with no jobs and all they have to go off of is say they play drums or something. Are they good? Yes. But why aren't they working as a musician at a studio or on tours with bands. Peabody used to mean something but even dudes who went to Peabody can't get a job as a professional musicians but rather they're working as realtors or some odd jobs. These folks aren't that good and if they were good they probably won't be seen at a mega-church...sorry for the rant guys
Speaking strictly as just an observer on this:

Maybe they hire these “pros” to avoid the drama from the congregation, members, flock, etc?:)
 
Not sure why they value "paid" musicians over volunteers despite talent being equal.

You’re absolutely right. They shouldn’t.

In fact, because they’re not paying volunteers, they should value the volunteers at the very least equally, if not more. The volunteers show up for service after service, sacrificing their own free time solely out of commitment to the religious setting. No price can be put on that.

Just my two cents.
The "professional" musicians that our church has hired are just regular dudes with no jobs and all they have to go off of is say they play drums or something. Are they good? Yes. But why aren't they working as a musician at a studio or on tours with bands.

Growing up as a kid in the ‘60s, the temple my family belonged to had a cantor who was a classically trained operatic tenor (many such reform temples employ classically trained operatic singers to be cantors; after graduating from music school they get a postgraduate degree in theology, and then they get to apply for these job openings).

They also had operatic/classical vocalists in a paid choir, along with a professional organist with a degree in the instrument.

The services were beautiful - classical of course - but memorable.

There was a kids choir and I was in it. Sometimes they let us sing at services with the adults. They treated us with extreme kindness. That’s how I think volunteers should be treated.

Maybe my own experiences spoiled me.
 
Musicians Getting Paid Now A Days? Is There Such A Thing? Almost All The Successful Musicians Now A Days Got That Way From Selling Merch, Not Music...LOL.

I think that’s true in many cases!

I can’t help but think about how well-paid my high school and college bands were in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s.

When I started playing out in bands, $10,000 a year was considered an ‘executive’ salary. In college the band split our revenue equally, and I was pulling down $300 a weekend, nearly every weekend, between frat gigs, bar gigs, etc.

In those days, a really nice new muscle car cost around 3 grand, so $300 was a nice chunk of change.

Sophomore year I bought a Firebird 400 brand-new, and paid cash for it out of my band earnings, with enough left over to have a pretty lavish lifestyle for a student!

Even adults can barely do that today.

One of many reasons this was the case is that back in the day, bands had to join the musician’s union to get bar gigs, and they made sure we got paid decently.

The unions were pretty much busted in the ‘80s, EXCEPT for the ad/TV work I do, major label sessions, and orchestras, who are generally union signatories. As the session leader I get double scale.

Of course, the AFM rates are laughable compared to SAG/AFTRA that singers and actors get, but I’ll take it since I can neither sing nor act!! 🤣
 
@László You Can Always Identify As A Proper Singer And Actor And Maybe That Will Get You A Rate Bump? Do That Enough In Todays Pricing And You Will Be Floating In Guitar Picks And Strings In No Time! ;)
 
@László You Can Always Identify As A Proper Singer And Actor And Maybe That Will Get You A Rate Bump? Do That Enough In Todays Pricing And You Will Be Floating In Guitar Picks And Strings In No Time! ;)
SAG rates net the singer about $60-80,000 on a national ad that runs for a halfway decent length of time, 26-52 weeks. Same with V.O. Talent (though famous voices earn much more). On-screen performers make a substantial amount more, with famous talent endorsers once again making a boatload.

I bought all of my PRS’, including Private Stocks, with a fraction of my quarterly AFM and SESAC royalty earnings, not including the composing or production fees clients pay direct, which are of course far more important to my livelihood.

So, yeah, not chump change, and far more than picks and strings…. ;)
 
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