Short Story: If I try to sing while I play, my strumming pattern falls apart. If I try to fix my strumming, i stop singing! Was there anything you did to train yourself past these sort of issues? Long story: I feel like this forum is a great place to get some constructive advice and insight so I figured I would ask this here! So I have been playing guitar for about 18 years now (dang! I should be better haha!) I have seen many people who can pick up and instrument and shortly after sing while playing it, and others that can hear a song and learn to play it before the 4 minute song is over. I have been neither of those. I had a few lessons early on here and there but nothing too consistent. My learning guitar looked like this: Pick up a guitar want to play it, learn 2 chords, put it down for a year I did this 2 or 3 times Then when I was about 15 it dawned on me, everything i liked doing was fairly "uncool" and I needed to dig in and learn something cool like guitar haha! I got my own guitar, a basic ESP/LTD because I wanted my own, even though my dad gave me full access to his Gibson SG that played way better! I took a few lessons, but I didnt want to play "oh when the saints go marching in". I wanted to play ROCK! My parents got me the tab book for Creed's My Own Prison album. The first song I learned was Ode. My goal was really to memorize guitar parts and play them in order start to finish through songs. Eventually I learned quite a few songs that I could play all from memory. But I had a tough time playing with anyone else, because I knew how to play notes, not necessarily when to play them! I attempted to play and sing Nutshell by Alice in Chains a few years later with mixed results. Mostly the issue of when I try to sing while I play, my strumming pattern falls apart. If I try to fix my strumming, I stop singing! So I can play and sing really basic stuff if the guitar rhythm is basically on the downbeat and the vocals match haha. I have a renewed desire to take a serious crack at this again. Not that I have a voice that is pleasant to human ears, but to grow and develop further eventually to lead small groups of people in singing together. I know the basic answer is PRACTICE! Was there anything you did to train yourself past these sort of issues?