Forum admin: Take my money — please!

Discussion in 'Forum Rules & News' started by Wavebender, May 2, 2021.

  1. Wavebender

    Wavebender New Member

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    I would gladly pay US$20 a year to upgrade my membership to allow uploading photos directly to the forum. Image hosting sites are all scams with terrible privacy policies and nonexistent property protections so I refuse to use them. I’d rather pay for the privilege.

    Take my money — please!
     
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  2. Ovibos

    Ovibos Naughty Wood Librarian

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    They’d have to take on the liability for how it got used and pulling down all the malicious/illegal imagery.

    I love this forum and its admins, but it’s not staffed for that. Heck, they haven’t turned off the broken “login with Facebook” integration yet.
     
  3. Wavebender

    Wavebender New Member

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    Lawyers ruin everything.
     
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  4. Simon Says

    Simon Says New Member

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    Totally, I would go with membership benefits such as this + custom trustrod cover lol
     
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  5. Moondog Wily

    Moondog Wily Howlin' At The Moon!

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    I too was very frustrated with this when I first joined in Feb 2021! I made a video and PDF addressing this issue because I witnessed many new members asking "How the hell do I upload a picture?". A link to that post is https://forums.prsguitars.com/threads/sharing-pictures-on-prs-forum.47818/
    There are a few other links in that post addressing this issue as well from other angles and times.

    I can not imagine it would be all that difficult to cross this bridge (considering I wrote from scratch, code to run forums of this complexity 20 years ago) and I am happy to volunteer as a moderator to help screen postings. And if pix were forced to have to wait for approval, I think that would be a fair price to pay.

    As for naysayers based on the myriad of arguments surrounding this issue, I would note the following outlines:
    1. From what I have seen here (and maybe this is due to how difficult it is to post images here), there are not thousands of pictures going up here each day. So any arguments of storage space costs are, from what I see here activity wise, moot points. At ~$20/TB for storage these days, I can't see this being an issue. My guestimate would be 100 - 200 pix per day. That could of course increase dramatically, if you make photo uploads more user intuitive. If that were to happen, there are many ways adjustments could be made to continue to offer this service.
    2. From a legal standpoint, you moderate the input for anything with included pictures. As mentioned above, I am happy to help moderate voluntarily as a service to the community of this forum. I'd rather do that than see 1 in 3 sign ups have to ask "how do I do this?". One would need to look at actual activity levels to figure out if this is in fact feasible, but as mentioned above, I would find it hard to believe that it is not manageable either internally or with some enthusiastic volunteers (raise your hand if you are in to helping if this became an option).
    3. Some have argued in discussions surrounding this topic, that this is not Instagram or Facebook. I don't believe anybody is asking that it should be. We are after all, wanting to upload real life examples of the products this company sells, not videos of cats on robotic vacuum cleaners or babies first step. What other companies have such an advantage? Where their customers can't wait to share their new acquisition with the rest of us, and we all drool! We are fanatics about these instruments, and they should be using the images posted here, as part of their advertising campaigns. Using these materials to show what their customers think about their products, which is always thumbs up, and examples where the product is being used, with delight is nothing but a win win. And anyone who uploaded photos would let them use their pix in ad campaigns because they would agree to it when they click the consent box that defines the rules and regulations regarding photo uploads (which nobody will read). "By uploading a photo to this site, you agree to allow PRS Guitars the right to use these uploaded images for historical, internal and/or marketing purposes without any compensation whatsoever." Yada yada yada. I know if I was involved in a company that had a fanatic following that wanted to share their real use experiences of my product, I would be using that as a marketing tool. They should be proud of it and flaunt it IMO.

    There are other issues, and these are broad outlines of how to handle the ones mentioned here, but I do believe this can be done without an unreasonable amount of effort or cost.

    So to sum it up, not a fan of the $20, because I honestly do not think it is justified. I am however all on the side of implementing this feature one way or another, and if that did involve a yearly fee, I may abide. I did after all, go to the trouble of establishing a SSL certificate for one of my websites so I would not have to use these image hosting services. I did so because when I first tried to post stuff from my site, it showed up for some but not others due to the "mixed content" issue (http images displayed on https site). My SSL Certificate resolved that issue.

    Power To The PRS PIX!

    Cheers~
    MW
     
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  6. jxe

    jxe babe en der wood

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    let’s have a downvote button first.
     
  7. alantig

    alantig Zombie Four, DFZ

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    It's easy to spend someone else's time, money, and resources.

    I'm on several music boards, only one of which allows direct uploads. And I believe that space is fairly restricted.

    If you don't want to use a file sharing site - and I don't - then host your own pictures. It's not that hard, you don't have to even generate a web page for it. Domain name plus hosting and you're done.
     
  8. slater529

    slater529 New Member

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    There are pay-to-play photo hosting sites that do in fact have security and theft protections. I have accounts at two of them: Pbase.com and Smugmug.com.
     
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  9. CarolD

    CarolD New Member

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    I’m a charter member on Acoustic Guitar Forum. You can upload directly on that forum. It’s a wonderful place. Lots of activity every day; lovely photos; great help from members should the need arise (members even share the love and send out free stuff on occasion); and a great classified. I was happy to plunk down $25 for the year. There is no requirement that anyone do so, unless they want to list in the classifieds. Maybe that would work here?
     
  10. Ovibos

    Ovibos Naughty Wood Librarian

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    Maybe, but that membership model in and of itself requires an investment of time/money. PRS hosts this as a best-effort, nice-to-have dealie.
     
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  11. CarolD

    CarolD New Member

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    Ahhhh…gotcha. Well, ‘tis a shame then. I use an iPad, and despite my best efforts, it won’t play nice with the photo sharing issues here.
     
  12. DISTORT6

    DISTORT6 NJ Devil

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    If it ain’t broke…
    Believe me, if I can somehow manage to post pictures, it’s GOTTA be easy.:p:D
     
  13. jxe

    jxe babe en der wood

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    i ran a fidonet node in the 80s, no idea why it’s so hard for miko dumadag today, he could charge 75 cents a week...
     
  14. Ovibos

    Ovibos Naughty Wood Librarian

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    Interesting. I have no problem with using this site and the Imgur app on my iPhone.
     
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  15. alantig

    alantig Zombie Four, DFZ

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    For some reason, the iPad can be a bit of a problem when copying links. I'm not sure why, but it seems something was tweaked somewhere along the way. I have tons of issues trying to copy GIF links from Google Images on the iPad that work just dandy on the desktop. On the iPad, I usually have to drill down to display the image in a separate tab and copy the URL from there. Not the most intuitive - or user-friendly - way to do it. Depending on the web site, I have that issue with static pictures as well. I don't know if that's because of that version of Safari, how Google Images renders the mobile version of the site, or what. But it does get frustrating.
     
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  16. Wavebender

    Wavebender New Member

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    Why would anyone vote against something that has zero effect on them? Spite?
     
  17. Wavebender

    Wavebender New Member

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    Gotta disagree with you about AGF. The place is run by mean spirited, narrow minded, grumpy old men with delusions of godhood.
     
  18. Wavebender

    Wavebender New Member

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    Doesn’t matter if you pay or not. Dumpy little operations like the ones you mentioned can change their policies, get sold to creeps, or die in a heartbeat. Happens every day.
     
  19. veinbuster

    veinbuster Zombie Three, DFZ

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    It isn’t a voteable matter anyway.
    PRS has more work than they can keep up with being a guitar company.
    No reason for them to get into the media business, but it is solely their decision.
     
  20. jxe

    jxe babe en der wood

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    i guess the main utility of a downvote is to express direct disapproval rather than being included in a 'silent majority'.
     
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