For the Canadians…. Or those in the know.

[McMahon67]

Anyone know if a guy can import East Indian rosewood necks with Brazilian rosewood fretboards to Canada?
I know CITES is a big deal….

but this thing is a monster with \m/ pickups and I’m drooling.

 

[dmatthews]

I'd contact the store and ask!

 

[McMahon67]

I'd contact the store and ask!

Lol…. Buddy….. I did.

The dude told me he could ship it, but any problems that might arise were on me.

I don’t feel like I should have to study for the Bar on the CITES rules to figure it out, it’s kind of what that dude gets paid for….. but I figured my colleagues here might have experience with same.

 

[dmatthews]

Lol…. Buddy….. I did.

The dude told me he could ship it, but any problems that might arise were on me.

I don’t feel like I should have to study for the Bar on the CITES rules to figure it out, it’s kind of what that dude gets paid for….. but I figured my colleagues here might have experience with same.

I hear ya. I went back/forth with a US Reverb seller like that. I dropped it after a few non-committal responses.

 

[veinbuster]

Shipping it is a crap shoot. By the book, you need CITIES documents to bring it in, and you have no chance of getting those from the manufacturer. To be fair to the store, they cannot write of the origin documents themselves.

You are at the mercy of the customs agent who clears the package. Maybe you just get charged HST, maybe it gets rejected outright.

Best odds of success are carrying it across the border.

 

[McMahon67]

Shipping it is a crap shoot. By the book, you need CITIES documents to bring it in, and you have no chance of getting those from the manufacturer. To be fair to the store, they cannot write of the origin documents themselves.

You are at the mercy of the customs agent who clears the package. Maybe you just get charged HST, maybe it gets rejected outright.

Best odds of success are carrying it across the border.

Well…… I suppose I could use a vacation to my home country anyway….. fml

 

[Deleted member 5962]

Rumor has it, that if there are hungry muskie filled lakes near your home, you can get almost anything into the country.

 

[Herr Squid]

I thought there was a CITES exemption that passed in the last few years exempting musical instruments, and specifically guitars.

Edit:

https://msretailer.com/cites-adopts-exemption-for-musical-instruments-from-rosewood-restrictions/

 

[sergiodeblanc]

Ruined by the blade selector

 

[Daryl Jones]

I'm inclined to agree with the idea that it's all up to the individual customs officer's discretion; which is to say it's a roll of the dice. While there is not supposed to be any personal grievances on their part, with so many diverse employees of anything anywhere and varied backgrounds it's not inconceivable that any agent might have a particular bone to pick on any "regulated" material shipping from anywhere. With all the illegal trade practices in the world who's to say? I'm fair certain that if it got stopped at customs, it wouldn't be returned to the point of origin, more than likely to go home with said officer. I've seen that before.
Assuming you could find a reasonably "open" border crossing point (if you get my drift on the current situation) driving might be the safest solution. Take a used guitar case with you and put it in the back seat coming home?

 

[McMahon67]

Lol…… I’d be flying to San Diego if that were the “case”.
I’m originally from there, so. I don’t know how frisky I am to buy a 7k guitar just to spend another 2k on the trip ( CAD )

I’ll figure her out…. But that said there are 2 Brazilian rosewood guitars at The Guitar Shop in Ontario…. I don’t like the two of em, but…. They got to Canada sure enough.

 

[bodia]

Look at the back of the head stock for your answer. Any Brazilian board PRS that I have owned in the past several years has said. "For U.S.A. only" on the back of the head stock.

 

[bodia]

Here's your answer.....

PRS Paul Reed Smith Wood Library Custom 24 Guitar, Satin Green Fade Burst, Brazilian Rosewood

Quilt Maple 10-Top, Swamp Ash Back, Brazilian Rosewood Fretboard, Indian Rosewood Neck, \m/ Pickups, Pattern Thin Neck Shape

musicstorelive.com

Ugh, it won't stay on the picture of the back of the head stock. Scroll over and you'll see it. "Custom built for the U.S.A. only"

 

[McMahon67]

Here's your answer.....

PRS Paul Reed Smith Wood Library Custom 24 Guitar, Satin Green Fade Burst, Brazilian Rosewood

Quilt Maple 10-Top, Swamp Ash Back, Brazilian Rosewood Fretboard, Indian Rosewood Neck, \m/ Pickups, Pattern Thin Neck Shape

musicstorelive.com

Ugh, it won't stay on the picture of the back of the head stock. Scroll over and you'll see it. "Custom built for the U.S.A. only"

Thanks Bodia
I saw it before for sure….. but I’m a rebel. I think the inscribe that when the neckwood itself is exotic, and not just the fretboard. I’ve seen quite a few in Canada that have Brazilian rosewood fretboards… but obviously not so much the neck itself. I guess…. Wish in one hand, drool in the other and see which one fills up first eh?

Oh well.

 

[veinbuster]

Lol…… I’d be flying to San Diego if that were the “case”.
I’m originally from there, so. I don’t know how frisky I am to buy a 7k guitar just to spend another 2k on the trip ( CAD )

I’ll figure her out…. But that said there are 2 Brazilian rosewood guitars at The Guitar Shop in Ontario…. I don’t like the two of em, but…. They got to Canada sure enough.

In the past, the Guitar Shop has had fully documented Braz through. They were a channel for Braz outside of the US

 

[McMahon67]

In the past, the Guitar Shop has had fully documented Braz through. They were a channel for Braz outside of the US

I see
Thanks!!

 

[Daryl Jones]

I think I'd have a cardiac event flying a guitar home knowing how they treat things in the cargo hold. I flew to Montreal and back with two live blade katana's (in a locked rifle case) and practically crapped razor blades both ways I was so worried. And swords are a lot less fragile than guitars. I think the days of large carry-ons (instruments) are gone the way of the dodo bird anymore; but I don't know as I've never had to transport a guitar so.

 

[WA Paul]

Nice looking guitar, I can see why you’d spend time trying to figure out the import process!

 

[shinksma]

Brazilian RW is on the no-export, no-import ban, unless with explicit permit. If they decide to inspect it, you will have it confiscated and probably destroyed.

According to a Canadian Gov't website that discusses the import/export restrictions imposed for all rosewood (but since reworked for sanity):

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/eccc/migration/main/cites/9e21fdbf-3f22-4caa-9417-c656c9dbedab/rosewoods-en.pdf

"Brazilian rosewood (Dalbergia nigra) remains listed in CITES Appendix I and requires both a CITES export authorization (issued by the exporting country) as well as a CITES import permit (issued by the importing country) to legally cross international boundaries."

The Brazzy rosewood exceptions didn't change when they relaxed the overall rosewood restrictions.

I wouldn't chance it.

 

[shinksma]

I thought there was a CITES exemption that passed in the last few years exempting musical instruments, and specifically guitars.

Edit:

https://msretailer.com/cites-adopts-exemption-for-musical-instruments-from-rosewood-restrictions/

That is the relaxing of the CITES restrictions for musical instruments for all species of Dalbergia except Brazilian:

"The new policies will go into effect in 90 days and apply to all species of rosewood, with the exception of Brazilian rosewood which remains on CITES Appendix I."