DGT finish issue

Amp48

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I have a 2010 DGT with a substantial finish problem. The finish flakes off like you wouldn't believe. I put masking tape on the neck to polish the frets and when I took off the tape, the finish on the neck came right off with it.
There's also areas on the body where the finish is flaking/chipping.
This would be cool if it was a strat and I wanted a relic but it sucks to have this happen on my PRS.
I contacted the factory to see about a refinish but I'll have to pay more than I'm willing to because I bought it used.
I sort of understand their position regarding the warranty, but this really bothers me considering that it is a known defect, and a rather dramatic one.
I'll keep playing it regardless, but it will be the most damaged looking PRS 'relic' anyone's ever seen. Is this the kind of product that PRS wants out there? I would think they'd stand behind their guitars when it comes to a factory defect like this.
 
It's too bad, but that's how it works with most products, doesn't it? Buy used, you don't get a warranty.

That's a risk one decides to accept when buying a used guitar.

You knew (or had the responsibility to find out for yourself) there wasn't a warranty with it. In terms of accountability, you do need to think about the fact that you saved a lot of money buying used in exchange for that small risk.

It's not fair to hold PRS' feet to the fire for a decision to buy used. If it bothers you, pay the piper and have someone refinish it, or just play it.

Some of us buy - and pay more for - new instruments just to have that warranty. I've done both, bought new and bought used, but when buying used I understand there's a little risk involved and that down the road I could find myself SOL.

Having owned lots of brands of guitars over the years, I know that finish problems are a fact of life with wooden instruments. Paint really doesn't want to stick to wood. It's why houses need to be repainted every few years. Etc.

If it was my guitar, I'd send it to PRS and have them refinish it. They do a great job. They're not cheap, but you'll wind up with a great result. There are also some very talented refinishers out in the world, I'd check them out if PRS is too expensive.

I've had good luck with used PRSes over the years, never a serious problem, but stuff happens, and I've needed to have things redone by PRS' PTC on new instruments and have had to repair used ones, too.

Incidentally, if yours is a 2010, it's probably got the older finish. You might be able to have yours redone with their newer V12; I think it's an improvement in looks and (arguably) tone, unless yours is one that was originally done in nitro. But nitro can be easily redone, too.
 
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I have seen minor finish issues with some PRSi , but I have never heard of an issue like you are speaking of , please post some pictures ,could your guitar have been refinished ( poorly ) before you got it ???
masking tape should have no effect on a guitar finish.
PTC is very helpful, I would ask them to look at the guitar and see what the problem is.
Good Luck
 
I'll see if I can post some photos. I agree that masking tape shouldn't affect the finish, but the finish indeed came right off with the tape. I'm pretty sure it's never been refinished.
 
I thought there were a number of reports of the early v12 (2010-ish..) finish flaking off around the neck / fretboard area?
Google it....
If it bothers you, fix it or sell it.
 
F@ck! You mean I've been posting pictures of my cat and guitars on the PRS Customer Service website for two f@ckin' years? Why didn't anybody tell me?

You got your answer from the only guy here with the power to anything about it and you don't like it...Sorry.
 
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Wow. Some hostile responses. So I'm stuck with a defective product. Got it. Doesn't change the fact that they screwed up the finish on a guitar that is universally lauded for quality.
I still like the guitar and enjoy playing it and will probably pay someone local to refinish it. It's just bad luck I guess.
 
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Doesn't change the fact that they screwed up the finish on a guitar that is universally lauded for quality..

They offer a lifetime warranty to the "original retail purchaser." That's a very generous warranty and many of us have had to use it. But by its terms it is not transferable.

So you come here to b&tch about not getting the warranty you didn't pay for, on your very first post, and you expect everyone to get out the torches and pitchforks and storm the castle with you or what?

Fender and Gibson have the same non-transferable warranty policy. Them's the breaks. Get over it.
 
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While some companies have transferable warranties and other do not, they are entitled to do as they wish. In this case, we are talking about a KNOWN product defect that has been posted for all to see on various internet forums. So, I would have hoped that PRS would take a different warranty stance on this issue and this issue only. They have chosen not to in many reported cases. In my opinion, thats just not a good PR move. Its just rather surprising given their pride in producing a top notch product but then turning a blind eye when they screwed up and do not take ownership to it. The neck flake issue is a defect and its happened to many a guitar. To those that have been slightly hostile, put yourself in this dudes shoes. He bought this guitar, like many others have, not knowing that there were known issues with that model years finish. This is the sort of thing that deters people from buying a companies products altogether. How is that good for PRS in the long term?
 
I understand and appreciate the original owner warranty stance. Just good business.
They had a problem in production with a new finish that took time to materialize and they promptly fixed it. If you were an original owner, they will gladly take care of you.
If someone bought one of these second hand and discovered the problem, well...we're not talking about GM ignition switches here...
However, I suspect if 'someone' called customer service and explained the situation in a civil manner, CS would probably make the effort to take care of said customer...within reason...
Bottom line is that the original factory warranty is not transferable though...
 
Look, I truly am sorry that this has happened to the OP and I can understand him being bummed about it, I was bummed for him the first time back when he was posting about this over on TGP months ago. Unfortunately for him and some other people, PRS has chosen to not fix it for free or for a price that he is comfortable with.

So you come here to b&tch about not getting the warranty you didn't pay for, on your very first post, and you expect everyone to get out the torches and pitchforks and storm the castle with you or what?.

That's the vibe I'm getting from this thread. We get threads like this where people come here looking to stage their own personal vendettas and protests, where they are usually looking for some sort of compensation or something for free. It always happens on a weekend when nobody with the power to do anything about it is at work, and then it becomes a sh!t storm usually to be resolved a couple of days later when the factory opens. Whether its GC not giving gig bags or someones PS looks salmon colored... There's nobody here that has the power to do anything but maybe Shawn, and he has probably already spoken with him.

In addition to that, it is also against the forum rules:

5. Customer Support


If you have a customer service issue or concern with your PRS product, please contact customer service at [email protected], or 410-643-9970. Customer service and support issues will only be addressed via email or phone and not on the PRS Forum.

See? It's right there. When someone doesn't bother to read the rules, or bother to even say hello, and just jump into their "issues" it kinda makes me feel like they're impolite.

To those that have been slightly hostile, put yourself in this dudes shoes.

I'm wearing ol' boys shoes right now. I have the same issue (although not quite as extreme, but I also didn't do anything to help it along) on a guitar that I bought used too. I was in contact with the PTC, got a quote, and decided that it was "more than I'm willing " to pay as well... So I get it, but I've moved past it and just like the OP, have decided to just play the thing or get it fixed elsewhere.

To my fellow brother in flaky finishes Amp48, with absolutely zero sarcasm: I'm sorry.
 
Thanks. I don't know what I hoped to accomplish by posting on here. Clearly won't accomplish anything. So I've accepted it and won't be posting anymore about it.
 
Right on buddy. I'm sorry for being a bit of a jerk, and I hope you stick around. Please forgive me.
 
While some companies have transferable warranties and other do not, they are entitled to do as they wish. In this case, we are talking about a KNOWN product defect that has been posted for all to see on various internet forums. So, I would have hoped that PRS would take a different warranty stance on this issue and this issue only. They have chosen not to in many reported cases. In my opinion, thats just not a good PR move. Its just rather surprising given their pride in producing a top notch product but then turning a blind eye when they screwed up and do not take ownership to it. The neck flake issue is a defect and its happened to many a guitar. To those that have been slightly hostile, put yourself in this dudes shoes. He bought this guitar, like many others have, not knowing that there were known issues with that model years finish. This is the sort of thing that deters people from buying a companies products altogether. How is that good for PRS in the long term?

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this is all legal bullsh1t. it isn't the OPs responsibility to research the V12 finish. his only responsibly is to pay for the item. all this "first owner" crap is just legal mumbo jumbo. this is a defect. period. to prs ... man up and fix it. when I bought my first prs, thought they were a class above, not really. very disappointing. all the sycophants will come to prs defense while totally ignoring the facts. you put guitars out to the market that had defects ... fix it and stop whining. really simple.
 
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all the sycophants will come to prs defense while totally ignoring the facts.

Hey, feel free to disagree with what someone has to say - reasonable people often differ in their outlook - but how does name-calling ("sycophants") somehow add to your argument?

As to "ignoring the facts," here are the facts: the guy wasn't the original purchaser. Something happened to his guitar 4 years after it was made. We don't know anything about the guitar's history. The warranty extends only to the original owner.

Those are the operative facts as I see them.

Your point is that the paint was a defect. Clearly it may have been. The question becomes what's PRS' obligation in terms of the warranty.

A warranty is the agreement between the original owner and the company that governs the deal.

You want to extend it, by some sort of general obligation regardless of who owns it, for how long a period of time? forever? to whom is the obligation owed, everyone who ever owns the thing? You can see the problems that might occur if a warranty is not defined in terms of length, who has the right to invoke it, etc.

That's why people spell things out and put them in writing. It's not "legal BS." It prevents disagreements like this one. It's black and white, it answers these kinds of questions, and that's the deal. Everyone then knows and understands the rules of engagement.

This isn't something that occurs when a defect makes a product dangerous. If that happened, clearly a manufacturer has a greater duty. But this is a cosmetic flaw, nothing more. It is not grossly unfair to have a second owner dig into his own pocket to make a cosmetic repair to a used instrument. In my mind, it's not even mildly unfair.

As to the whining you're referring to, well, that's what you're doing. All PRS is doing is sticking to the their well-known warranty terms like every other guitar maker in the world. No whining necessary. And they have the legal and ethical right to say no.
 
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But this is a cosmetic flaw, nothing more. It is not grossly unfair to have a second owner dig into his own pocket to make a cosmetic repair to a used instrument. In my mind, it's not even mildly unfair.

I respect the heck out of PRS. I really do. I wouldn't own 2 if I didn't. However, a clear coat flaking defect is far from a cosmetic flaw. If the clear coat flaked from your car, is it just cosmetic? No. It makes the car more vulnerable to environmental damage. Wood isn't meant to be left hanging in the breeze. At the very least it needs to be sealed with an oil of some sort. Otherwise, it dries or absorbs moisture at will. Thus, leading to more permanent damage down the road. So, I think in this case, the flaking issue is a "defect" that can be detrimental to the longevity of the instrument if not corrected. Some guitars have had the entire finish come off the neck since the V12 has been used. By the letter of the law, PRS can do nothing about this and this is perfectly fine. However, I think this comes down to an issue of whats right and whats wrong. If PRS is hiding behind their warranty in cases like this, does it lessen the integrity of the company in some peoples eyes? I'm sure it does. From a purely business standpoint, its unwise to hide behind a warranty rather than doing what is the right thing to do in these cases. I own a business. Sometimes you spend a little money to make a little later on. If PRS came to the rescue of some of these folks, then it probably leads to an instrument sale down the road.
 
I respect the heck out of PRS. I really do. I wouldn't own 2 if I didn't. However, a clear coat flaking defect is far from a cosmetic flaw. If the clear coat flaked from your car, is it just cosmetic? No. It makes the car more vulnerable to environmental damage. Wood isn't meant to be left hanging in the breeze. At the very least it needs to be sealed with an oil of some sort. Otherwise, it dries or absorbs moisture at will. Thus, leading to more permanent damage down the road. So, I think in this case, the flaking issue is a "defect" that can be detrimental to the longevity of the instrument if not corrected. Some guitars have had the entire finish come off the neck since the V12 has been used. By the letter of the law, PRS can do nothing about this and this is perfectly fine. However, I think this comes down to an issue of whats right and whats wrong. If PRS is hiding behind their warranty in cases like this, does it lessen the integrity of the company in some peoples eyes? I'm sure it does. From a purely business standpoint, its unwise to hide behind a warranty rather than doing what is the right thing to do in these cases. I own a business. Sometimes you spend a little money to make a little later on. If PRS came to the rescue of some of these folks, then it probably leads to an instrument sale down the road.

Then again, to use your analogy, how many car companies extend their warranties on any part of their cars for non-safety reasons (a) past three to five years, and/or (b) to someone who isn't the original owner?

In both cases, zero that I know of.

As I said, people can disagree about what is or isn't reasonable, but PRS doesn't "hide" behind their warranty to the original owner, ever. They do exactly what the warranty says they're going to do. And that's the right thing to do so everyone knows where they stand.

The original owner who paid a premium buck and bought the guitar from a PRS dealer gets a great amount of service and protection. Others have to handle their own repairs. What's unfair about that?

And what's fair to the person who bought the guitar at a premium to have that warranty, if it isn't necessary to buy new to get that warranty? That would really suck, as far as I'm concerned.

You talk about something being a "defect" think for a moment -- Any warranty claim is by definition only about a defect! Otherwise it's wear and tear which is NOT covered by warranties!

If you think they are "hiding" behind a warranty - backwards thinking, as far as I'm concerned because the warranty expressly does not extend to anyone but the original owner - there isn't anything I can say that will convince you otherwise, we'll simply disagree.

The point is, to whom is PRS' responsibility to repair owed? The original owner. Who else? Anyone who comes along and buys the guitar years down the road? And where does one draw the line? Where would you draw the line on used instruments if it was your business? Not the finish? How about the electronics? The bridge? The knobs and tuning machines? And would you leave it open-ended for whoever owns it 100 years from now?

Since a warranty is only about defects, what defects would you include, and what defects would you exclude? And why would you include some and not others? It all comes down to splitting hairs.

You can't reasonably expect a company to have an open-ended policy with no clear guidelines. And for guidelines to make any sense, they have to be followed uniformly. To not do that would be unfair to everyone.

PRS draws the line at original owners. That's reasonable because it's a lifetime warranty.

It would be unfair to the original owners, who paid for the privilege of a great warranty, and it would be unfair to everyone else who'd be scratching their heads as to where they stand, this one getting a break, that one not getting a break, people arguing over who got screwed, etc.

As to whether the finish is merely cosmetic, how many acoustic instruments do you know of that are unfinished on the inside that last hundreds of years? Answer: many. There are violins whose neck finishes wore off 300 years ago that are being played in concerts. And some players sand the finish off their necks. The guitars still last.

It's not like the guitar can't be easily fixed, or that it's going to rot.

And in any case, it's certainly not anything like a personal safety issue.
 
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I don't understand the car analogy at all.. I had a 89 Chevy Corsica that had the paint peel off and that car worked fine for fifteen years until a roommate rear-ended a parked garbage truck with it. GM offered no warranty on it and I was the original owner.

Come to think of it, the nitro finish flaked off my CE's neck seventeen years ago and it's still perfectly stable. The finish of my KL's neck is starting to lift too, and it was in A+ perfect, like-new shape from the gentleman I bought it off of.

Maybe it's me?
 
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