DG 2x12 or Stealth 2x12 with 12T75's?

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  1. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    I got my MT15 about a month ago, and love it. But when I ordered it, the cab wasn't available, and I'm having trouble finding them still.

    So! Not 15 minutes ago, I ordered a Mesa 2x12. And to be a total tool, I ordered a custom job. Blue tolex, cream/black grill, gold piping... don't ask; no rational reason other than I like blue. But it'll take 2 or 3 months to get here.

    That didn't solve my problem. Right now the MT is going into the back of my 6505 cab. Cool enough, but I want the 6505 to be a 6505. MT needs his own cab.

    So I'm looking at the DG 2x12, and the Stealth 2x12 (the 150 watt version). Is there that much of a difference in the 2? Price notwithstanding, if I don't need to spend the extra for the DG, I won't. I'll set the extra aside for another WL SC (hopefully of this forums design). The only thing that I've seen so far, that people seem to call out as something that defines the DG's sound is that it is made of heavier pine; and that helps with the bottom end.

    I'm a metal guy, so gain is like good bourbon to me. But I'm also trying to develop blues chops.
    If it were you, what would you do?

    I have a 3 day business trip starting tomorrow. I'm giving it until the end of that trip to make up my mind. Hopefully with the help of sage guidance from this crowd. :)
     
  2. mad monk

    mad monk New Member

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    If you buy either of the two, what will you do with it when the Mesa arrives? Wait for the Mesa. If it's not to your liking, then sell it and acquire the Grissom 2x12. Or get the Grissom now and sell it to me at a big discount when the Mesa arrives ;).
     
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  3. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    LOL!!!
    I love your thinking!
    I'll likely keep the Mesa... Just because, I have no rational reason. :)
    I think that I'm about to start to sound ignorant. I am not aware of Grissom. But I'm about to start some google-fu...
     
  4. mad monk

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    Have fun. Look up the Wilco Johnson video. Then just about any of the Saxon Pub videos for live tone.
     
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    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    Damn.... I just realized that the Grissom is the DG 2x12.
    I'm apparently drinking a glass of stupid, not bourbon.

    I'm going to do just that, and order the DG.
    THANK YOU Mr. Mad Monk.
     
  6. Boogie

    Boogie SuperD

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    I’ve never even heard of a 12T75 speaker, so I have no idea how it sits sonically against the previous PRS pine 2x12, which I have. The pine 2x12 with V30s, like mine, is not a traditional metal-friendly V30-based cab...which is specifically why I bought it. It was also the matching component to my amp, the Super Dallas, and is an essential part of the resulting tone. But before taking the plunge, having owned Mesa/Boogie amps and cabs for 30 years, I didn’t want another cab that sounded like what I aready had. And while my old Mark III sounds great thru it, it’s just not the devastation that the pair of vertical 2x12s bring. IMO, if I were building a metal rig with the MT-15, I’d be getting the matching cab. As a temporary substitute, I’d be looking at any other alternative with similar or same speakers since the amp was obviously voiced for the V30. But the DG 2x12 would not be the the same animal as any other metal-friendly V30 cab and would probably be a disappointment. Now, if they still had a PRS Big Mouth 2x12, that would be a totaly different story.
     
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  7. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    Boogie! Thanks for taking the time to rock that response.That's exactly the type of info that I needed.
    I agree with you on getting the matching cab, but it is only a 1x12, and it is not available yet. At least that is, I haven't seen it for sale yet; although I'm on a couple pre-order lists.

    As for the 12T speakers, they're Celestion's that are particularly good for high gain uses, and simple rock. They have the typical British gain sound, but they don't scimp on the low end.

    If nothing else, feeding the Gear Addiction Syndrome monster is not a bad thing... :)
     
  8. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    I’m curious....Vertical or horizontal 2x12 Boogie?
     
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  9. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    11top, I opted for the horizontal. Likely simply because of how I've set my space up. I have a big bar in my basement, and it has plenty of space for booze storage; but there's also a ton of space left over. So I've set up an area where I have my monitors, space for two laptops, a 36 inch screen, and to my right, a spot for a 2x12, on the bar. It puts the amp head, just slightly above my head level if I'm sitting in my guitar chair, and I'm fairly level with the speakers. It may sound weird, but it's really a super fun, and encompassing place to play around. And it's easy to switch cabinets out, because the angle of the bar, leaves me room to have a couple on the floor, stacked horizontally. So I can just take one down, put the other on the bar, and replace it in its spot on the side of the bar. That's a long way to go to reason out, or better said, rationalize a horizontal cab.

    I'm totally open to suggestions if there is wisdom in the vertical version.
     
  10. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    I just found this video on Youtube that compares the 30's, and the 12T75's.
    I know you're not a metal guy, but you can hear the saturation difference between the two speakers.

     
  11. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    The PRS pine cabs aren’t really metal cabs; the DG30 cab (I have one) is more vintage-tone. I have the PRS Big Mouth cab also, and it’s similar to the Mesa Recto 212; birch ply, etc.

    You’re not the only tool who orders custom trim for a Mesa. I’m one too. ;)
     
  12. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    There is a very significant reason to purchase a vertical: You don’t have to bend over as far to adjust your amp. :D:oops:
     
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    toothace At least I'm good at dentistry

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    I think we need some photos of this space...:)
     
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  14. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    I run my MT-15 through a Recto 2x12. You're gonna love it, when you get it. Maybe check out an Avatar cab while you're waiting. Inexpensive (price, not quality) and customizable. You could get a plain black one with your choice of speakers in a short time.
     
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  15. LSchefman

    LSchefman Hears Tones

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    You bet!

    The top-mounted controls on the HXDA and DG30 are great because there’s no bending over with a horizontal cab. I’m completely spoiled now. Bending over to adjust my Lone Star combo is a complete PITA. I’d put it in a head enclosure, but I spent a ton ordering it with a fancy/schmancy leather covering, so...yeah. :rolleyes:
     
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  16. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    You sir, are a genius.
    I feel that I have gained much wisdom here. :)
     
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  17. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    Sure!! I'm on a biz trip at the moment, but will gladly post some pics when I get home. Selfishly, I'd love guidance from the sages here who've been up their home studio spaces. I like how it is now, but I know that the knowledge here will make it better.
     
  18. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    That's both good to hear, and a great idea.
    I was tooling around on the Avatar site, thinking about doing that before I made this post.

    Seems like Avatar is somewhat of an open secret. I looked at their speakers, the "Hellatones", which seem to be modded Celestion's. It seems like a good idea to play around with speaker types. The prices are great, so why not?

    Thanks to you, I am pumped about getting that recto cab even more now.
     
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  19. RowdyGrunt

    RowdyGrunt Serial Six String Abuser

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    Leather
    Leather custom job eh? Well you are a serious tool. :) I bow to your toolness. :)
     
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  20. 11top

    11top Cousin Eddie's cousin

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    Fixed
     

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