Considering ordering Private Stock. Any advice for a first-timer?

I would *love* to go to the vault, but I'm not sure that's in the cards, as I live in Texas and have small children. I do have family in Baltimore, so nothing's impossible... would love to go pick out materials. Hell, I'd love to just shake PRSh's hand and tell him how much I admire his craftsmanship.
PRSh isn't always there, but he does often pop into the vault when he is. It is a bit of a hike from Texas, but if you can work out to visit family one evening, visit the vault in the morning, head home to the kids before their bedtime - the time in the vault is a great experience.

Maple top and back will probably make it plenty bright, so it's a question of how much more ebony would add to that, and would it be overpowering?
You are absolutely right to stick with what you know you will be comfortable with. I have hollow bodies with the same wood choices except for rosewood versus ebony neck. I really like the ebony, admittedly in part because I play acoustic a lot and most of my acoustics are mahogany neck with ebony board. I find the ebony a bit more articulate on the top two strings - some might consider that brighter. The difference is small, but noticeable.
Cocobolo would be more exotic looking, but still musically be like rosewood. Again, it sounds like for you rosewood is the right choice.

Mainly it's just what I'm used to, but I assume the sealed construction offers better protection against the elements. I've never really understood what the advantage of open-gear tuners is supposed to be. I know people like them because they have less mass, but... why is that a good thing? What's the trade-off?
I really don't think the mass matters. I also like the sealed construction.
I think the benefit of the phase III isn't that they are open, it is that because they are open you can have a bigger gear. I haven't found it impacts my ability to tune at all.
 
I prefer to stick with more traditional tonewoods... I'm used to the tone and feel of rosewood. Ebony I don't have much experience with. This is basically an attempt to get a semi-hollow sound like a 335 or the HBII but with the ergonomics and playability of the Cu24. Maple top and back will probably make it plenty bright, so it's a question of how much more ebony would add to that, and would it be overpowering?

This is a great topic for discussion all by itself.

I had three nearly identical Singlecuts in succession, one with an IRW fretboard, one with ebony, and one with BRW. I'll get to these in a moment. Some additional background:

I've also had The Artist V with an its fretboard, and many similar CU22s with the rosewood boards. I've had maple fretboards as well. And of course, lots of other electrics & acoustics with either ebony or rosewood. But I think the best comparison is model by model, with the main difference being the fretboard, and the PRS model I've had with all three traditional fretboards is would be the Stripped 58/SC58/SC245, which is basically the same guitar in different trim and with different fretboards.

Of the traditional materials, the warmest tone will be the IRW. If it was food, it'd be chocolate. The BRW is a bit snappier and more articulate at the note's point of attack. In food terms, chocolate with a cinnamon swirl, because you taste the cinnamon on the tip of your tongue before the chocolate overpowers it. The snappiest of the three, with the fastest attack will be the ebony.

I honestly don't think any of these woods is "brighter" or "darker" even though that's folks' usual impression. What I think is happening as this: every note has an ADSR envelope - that is, attack, decay, sustain, and release. An ADSR envelope looks like thi

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A note with a faster attack has a steeper attack portion, and if the attack has even a slightly higher amplitude, it's often going to sound brighter and more percussive. The slower the attack, the warmer it will sound. A bowed instrument like a cello will have a less steep attack than, say, a piano. Of course, the decay, sustain and release parts of the curve also affect this, but I believe that the main contribution of the fretboard is the instant of note attack. Just my thinking on this.

So picking a fretboard wood is, to me, one of those tone questions. I've come to prefer Rosewood on my PRS electric guitars because a slightly slower attack with perhaps less relative amplitude compared to the "D" and "S" periods of the envelope suits my less percussive, less strummy playing style on the electric guitar. On acoustic, I still prefer ebony.

My conclusion: If you like a very articulate, very well-defined note, go with ebony. If you like a nice fast attack and that articulation, but want a little warmer sound, go with BRW or Madagascar (which comes on a lot of PS models these days, and also sounds very cool - for some reason all 3 of my PS electrics came with it); for the warmest sound, go with IRW (though I realize that very few people pick IRW when they can get the other stuff on a PS).

My impression of cocobolo (this from playing acoustic guitars with it) is that it's like chocolate with a little caramel swirl. But I haven't had it on an electric.

Mainly it's just what I'm used to, but I assume the sealed construction offers better protection against the elements. I've never really understood what the advantage of open-gear tuners is supposed to be. I know people like them because they have less mass, but... why is that a good thing? What's the trade-off?

I think the open gear thing is mainly a cosmetic choice, but the main advantage to the Phase III tuning machine is that it's actually a better machine in its operation, IMHO. The tuning is more accurate with less slop, and it seems to stay in tune a little longer. It's really a very fine tuning machine.

Unless you're playing in a sandstorm, I can't really see a problem with the open gears. I have had them on a BUNCH of recent PRS guitars, and they've never gotten so much as a piece of lint on them.

These modern designs don't need to be lubricated with grease or petroleum jelly like the old machines in a bygone age, so they don't attract dirt.
 
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I've sent sage, the op, a private message apologizing for my rant and wishing him well on his purchase of his private stock.
That's cool! I wasn't trying to be the forum police. Sorry if I came off that way.
 
No apologies necessary, guys! I asked for opinions and I got opinions, there's nothing wrong with that. Feel free to rant. In fact, this is exactly the sort of thing I wanted to find out
Ok, in the spirit of that, I'll tell you what I don't like. And I'm going to apologize in advance as judging by many of the NGD threads, this one should offend about half the people here. :( I'm sorry about that, and mean NO disrespect to anyones guitars at all! Here goes.

I've seen some of the most beautiful guitars ever made in this forum, and then... side view.... back view.... NO STAIN! I'm sorry, I just don't like that. I see a stunning quilted or flamed maple top in red or blue or some unreal beautiful color... then plain back and sides. It just doesn't look right to me. I understand some actually prefer that. I don't. I was actually going to purchase one guitar from a dealer here a year ago (the dealer didn't even know it, but I found it on their web site and fell in love with it). I actually sold another guitar to fund part of it, had the cash ready. Went back to the dealers site to get the stinking model number and call them... saw more pics and it had the unstained back and sides. I didn't even think to look the first time. Then I saw more and more of them... apparently it became popular. I just don't get it. So, two weeks later, go in a local dealer and find the same guitar, different color... "ah, here we go!" Walked up and sure enough... no stain on back and sides!

Rant over. Still love all of your guitars even if they are "plain backs". (See, I gave them a name! LOL)

So, IMHO, get that back stained! :D (Unless of course, you're going ALL natural, like my 97 Custom 22).
 
When you pick your maple top (and back), look at the edges of the boards. Look to see if the figure will run consistently through both sides of the book match. You'll have a much better chance of strong figure throughout the carved top and a good mirror image.

If you are picking a highly figured top, I would suggest a fairly simple fretboard. Straight black ebony is a good aesthetic choice for at least two reasons. 1. It will not compete with the top for attention (think plaid shirt with a different pair of plaid pants- uh.......no). 2. Inlays will pop against an ebony fretboard. If you don't like ebony as a tone wood, you could use a very dark rosewood instead.

Unless you know are going to this guitar forever, stay away from cites woods. They will limit your market for resale.
 
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I honestly don't think any of these woods is "brighter" or "darker" even though that's folks' usual impression. What I think is happening as this: every note has an ADSR envelope - that is, attack, decay, sustain, and release...

If you like a very articulate, very well-defined note, go with ebony. If you like a nice fast attack and that articulation, but want a little warmer sound, go with BRW or Madagascar (which comes on a lot of PS models these days, and also sounds very cool - for some reason all 3 of my PS electrics came with it); for the warmest sound, go with IRW (though I realize that very few people pick IRW when they can get the other stuff on a PS).

Hah, I should have known you'd have analyzed this, Les! Thanks for the input, you make some good points. I'm still not sure which of those properties I want to boost. My primary concern is that the body thickness on the Cu24 Semi-Hollow won't provide the girth of, say, an HBII, and I don't want to sacrifice too much warmth. Maybe I should reconsider the maple back?

I think the open gear thing is mainly a cosmetic choice, but the main advantage to the Phase III tuning machine is that it's actually a better machine in its operation, IMHO. The tuning is more accurate with less slop, and it seems to stay in tune a little longer. It's really a very fine tuning machine.

Hm, not sure I like it better aesthetically. I know I prefer the smaller buttons on the Phase II tuners.

I've seen some of the most beautiful guitars ever made in this forum, and then... side view.... back view.... NO STAIN! I'm sorry, I just don't like that.

It depends on the color, and the wood. The Aqua Violet tops I've seen have been married to natural backs and I don't care for it, which is one of the reasons why I'd want a wraparound finish. I see the appeal in showing off the natural color of the wood, but to me that works better when paired with earth tones for the top. A tobacco or cherry sunburst would look great with a natural mahogany back. Black Gold probably would look good, for instance. But when it comes to the jewel colors I prefer a wraparound finish. My 2008 Custom 24 is a Royal Blue wrap and I love how it looks.

When you pick your maple top (and back), look at the edges of the boards. Look to see if the figure will run consistently through both sides of the book match. You'll have a much better chance of strong figure throughout the carved top and a good mirror image.

If you are picking a highly figured top, I would suggest a fairly simple fretboard. Straight black ebony is a good aesthetic choice for at least two reasons. 1. It will not compete with the top for attention (think plaid shirt with a different pair of plaid pants- uh.......no). 2. Inlays will pop against an ebony fretboard. If you don't like ebony as a tone wood, you could use a very dark rosewood instead.

Unless you know are going to this guitar forever, stay away from cites woods. They will limit your market for resale.

Good advice, thanks! The plan is definitely for a plain dark fretboard. The only cites wood I know of is BRW. Is Madagascar RW on the list?
 
I've seen some of the most beautiful guitars ever made in this forum, and then... side view.... back view.... NO STAIN! I'm sorry, I just don't like that.
Doesn't offend me at all. I disagree with it, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Yeah, I know, says the guy with this <-- guitar.
 
That's cool! I wasn't trying to be the forum police. Sorry if I came off that way.

Understood. Sage and I exchanged several emails, since we're both in Austin. He told me it wasn't until I brought up the subject of 'you know what' that he didn't know 'you know what' was an 'option/upcharge'. So there's a positive. Ciao'.
 
Back to the original topic... for those of you who have done this, what does the dealer add to the experience? What's his role, aside from being the middleman?
 
Back to the original topic... for those of you who have done this, what does the dealer add to the experience? What's his role, aside from being the middleman?

He's your ticket inside. Without a dealer, there's no access. They're there, also, to build faking badazz PS guitars, and with a lot more experience under their belts, they can make the process easier. They also might take you out to dinner afterwards. And MAYBE a beer if you're into that sort of thing.
 
Back to the original topic... for those of you who have done this, what does the dealer add to the experience? What's his role, aside from being the middleman?

1. Experience with PS is important. In the case of my dealer (Jack Gretz), he's a luthier who's built many, many guitars, picks out great tone woods, and he's got a lot of PS experience. He grabbed Paul at Experience to pick out the woods for my PS Tonare, and it's amazing sounding. Looks great, too.

2. If there's an issue or problem down the road - I'm primarily thinking pots, switches, etc, because the failure of a pot or switch can't be predicted, and it does happen sometimes - how fast can your dealer get it taken care of?
 
The dealer you select will be your connecting string to PRS. I feel it's important to select someone that you sense has a strong relationship with the factory and the people that work there. I also suggest speaking to some dealers via phone, email, text, etc to make sure you are comfortable with their communication style and timing. Lastly, it's safe to say that in most all cases you will be speaking to them quite a bit and it's a much better experience for everyone if there's a bit of vibe there. Hope that helps!
 
Thanks for the responses, guys. I'll start hitting up dealers this week. I'm thinking maybe a visit to the vault might be doable, after all, and at Experience, no less.
 
Thanks for the responses, guys. I'll start hitting up dealers this week. I'm thinking maybe a visit to the vault might be doable, after all, and at Experience, no less.
Try to do the vault. Working with the team in person is excellent and will certainly answer any things you aren't quite sure about.
 
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