Bolt-on vs Set-Neck - I'm really hearing a tonal difference!

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I recently acquired my first set-neck solid body double-cut PRS (ref. my NGD post here: https://forums.prsguitars.com/threa...on-limited-edition-at-that.60605/#post-926804).

The other PRS guitars I have are either bolt-on necks (three SE series CE24s - one w no top (Satin Std), maple top, and a Sandblasted Swamp Ash top), and one set-neck BUT semi-hollow body (SE Series Custom 22). The semi-hollow nature of the last one has a tonal influence all of its own outside the bolt-on vs set-neck consideration
All are double cut body styles and all have trem units for bridges vs fixed bridges.

I have unexpectedly discovered a noticeable tonal difference, at least under heavy gain. The set neck guitar seems to have a fuller tone, particularly on the Low E string when doing chugging, i.e. palm muted metal riffs like the last two riffs in Metallica's "Seek & Destroy". I love it. I don't know that I would describe this difference as the typical "bolt-ons have more snap in their tone", as that the set-neck sounds fuller, with less mids in a good way, at least for metal tones.

I've spent time EQing the distortion patches I used for my bolt-on guitars to get closer to this awesome full tone of the set-neck guitar, and while I have gotten improved tone by doing that, the bolt-on guitars' tones are still missing that special something compared to the set-neck guitar.

What i haven't gotten to yet, is dialing in the set-neck guitar's clean tones. So I don't know yet if this "fullness" that is pro for high gain tones, will be a con in how well the clean tones sound in the set-neck compared to the bolt-on guitars. Clean tone wise, I tend to prefer running the neck pickup in partial coil-split mode va full series mode, as well as each of the two humbuckers combined in partial coilsplit mode as Both Inner Coils. I typically add a 1k resistor to the Neck pickup and 2k resistor to the Bridge pickup for those partial coilsplit tones. I noticed that the stock coilsplit wiring on this Year 2017 set-neck does not have any resistors, so I have to take their absence in consideration when doing my assessment of the tonal comparisons. I most likely will add those resistors sooner than later to this set-neck guitar. I will soon get to doing that comparison and report back here.
 
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Quoting Fox Mulder: I want to believe.

I believe your words only when everything is the same with both guitars but the neck connection.
Same strings, same wear, same pickups, same action, same pickup heights, same nut, same bridge, same cable lengths in the guitars, ...

There are too many variabilities to state one reason, one result.
 
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I recently acquired my first set-neck solid body double-cut PRS (ref. my NGD post here: https://forums.prsguitars.com/threa...on-limited-edition-at-that.60605/#post-926804).

The other PRS guitars I have are either bolt-on necks (three SE series CE24s - one w no top (Satin Std), maple top, and a Sandblasted Swamp Ash top), and one set-neck BUT semi-hollow body (SE Series Custom 22). The semi-hollow nature of the last one has a tonal influence all of its own outside the bolt-on vs set-neck consideration
All are double cut body styles and all have trem units for bridges vs fixed bridges.

I have unexpectedly discovered a noticeable tonal difference, at least under heavy gain. The set neck guitar seems to have a fuller tone, particularly on the Low E string when doing chugging, i.e. palm muted metal riffs like the last two riffs in Metallica's "Seek & Destroy". I love it. I don't know that I would describe this difference as the typical "bolt-ons have more snap in their tone", as that the set-neck sounds fuller, with less mids in a good way, at least for metal tones.

I've spent time EQing the distortion patches I used for my bolt-on guitars to get closer to this awesome full tone of the set-neck guitar, and while I have gotten improved tone by doing that, the bolt-on guitars' tones are still missing that special something compared to the set-neck guitar.

What i haven't gotten to yet, is dialing in the set-neck guitar's clean tones. So I don't know yet if this "fullness" that is pro for high gain tones, will be a con in how well the clean tones sound in the set-neck compared to the bolt-on guitars. Clean tone wise, I tend to prefer running the neck pickup in partial coil-split mode va full series mode, as well as each of the two humbuckers combined in partial coilsplit mode as Both Inner Coils. I typically add a 1k resistor to the Neck pickup and 2k resistor to the Bridge pickup for those partial coilsplit tones. I noticed that the stock coilsplit wiring on this Year 2017 set-neck does not have any resistors, so I have to take their absence in consideration when doing my assessment of the tonal comparisons. I most likely will add those resistors sooner than later to this set-neck guitar. I will soon get to doing that comparison and report back here.
Funny you mention Seek and Destroy. Hetfield used a bolt-on Flying V copy as his main guitar during that era.

That being said… I don’t doubt that you heard a difference in your guitars on your rig. Who are any of us to say otherwise?
 
Quoting Fox Mulder: I want to believe.

I believe your words only when everything is the same with both guitars but the neck connection.
Same strings, same wear, same pickups, same action, same pickup heights, same nut, same bridge, same cable lengths in the guitars, ...

There are too many variabilities to state one reason, one result.

Quoting Fox Mulder: I want to believe.

I believe your words only when everything is the same with both guitars but the neck connection.
Same strings, same wear, same pickups, same action, same pickup heights, same nut, same bridge, same cable lengths in the guitars, ...

There are too many variabilities to state one reason, one result.
This is a fair point. The rig is the same. All guitars are stock, so nut, pickups, etc. Are the same. Except the maple capped CE24, where i installed the 1k and 2k resistors for the partial coil split wiring, but those aren't a factor here because for the high gain tones, I am running the bridge pickup in full/series mode, so the resistor isn't in circuit. All guitars have fresh set of 10 gauge strings installed. The bridge pickups on each have been set to roughly the same height because I am particular about how much saturation I want coming from the guitar in high gain mode.
 
Funny you mention Seek and Destroy. Hetfield used a bolt-on Flying V copy as his main guitar during that era.

That being said… I don’t doubt that you heard a difference in your guitars on your rig. Who are any of us to say otherwise?
True about Hetfield and the Kill Em All era. However, note that I didn't claim I matched Hetfield's tone on that album, only that when I am playing those kind of riffs, the tone sounds different btw the two types of guitars i have on-hand.
 
I too have a Satin Standard, (2) Sandblasted Swamp Ash and a Custom 24.
They all sound different..
The difference in the bolt-ons is what I would expect from the differences in body wood. All other things are equal...

But, the Custom 24 is 'different'...seems to have a more focused fundamental sound.
 
I agree that set neck guitars sound a little different from bolt-ons. It's not just the neck wood; I've had several PRS' with maple set necks that sounded different from PRS bolt-ons with maple necks (which I've also had) - a different 'family' sound, not merely a different 'individual guitar'sound.

After playing lots of guitars for 58 years, and owning around 40 Core or Private Stock PRS' with various builds and woods, I figure my sample size is large enough to be confident in what I'm hearing.

Everyone hears differently. No two of us is exactly alike. Trust your ears, and ignore the doubters.
 
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