A tape echo for Les (T-Rex Replicator)

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I remember Les telling us he has a nice Echoplex I believe made by another company that is less maintenance than the Echoplex one.
On page 71 of the October issue of Premier Guitar I read yesternight a new one is out by T-Rex, and I found a few videos of it.
I wonder how this stacks up against other "real tape" echo units?
I do not think it is quite out yet, but I hear it will be going for around $900.
I do believe I want/need/lust for one :D



 
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That's cool! I have my Fulltone tube echo jobbie, but it's nice to see something like that in a pedal format! Great idea.

Sounds good, too.
 
Then again, here's Fulltone's solid state version of their tape echo, again, more like the original in terms of tape path and mechanical parts, and for about the same money as the pedal that is probably more miniature circuit based in order to fit on a pedal board. This one's got very robust mechanical parts, too, and I doubt the pedal can be as heavy duty, and with tape, the mechanical parts in the transport are pretty important.

Then again, a pedal fits on a pedal board, but you just sit this on top of your amp or cab, and you're in business. And probably a lot easier to reach the controls, which one needs to do for an echoplex to change delay settings, etc.

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Jimmy Page with echoplex on top of his Marshall heads (it's the black box sitting in the middle on both heads):
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One on each head in this shot:

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I would like to see a comparison between these two units.

It's a shame that you can't easily pop over to Michigan, hang out at my place, and play through my Fulltone! Even though mine's the tube version, the tape path and transport are the same.

This is one of those types of products where you kind of need to have the two units side by side, I don't think a clip will give you the vibe of these things to the degree you would experience in person.

In any case, regardless of which unit you decide to go with here's the thing: as good as digital re-creations of tape can be, and they can be very good indeed, something happens with a real tape echo that is unique. Obviously T-Rex agrees, since they make two very highly regarded non-tape echo boxes, yet they're still going back to tape.

Have fun deciding!
 
I wish I could take you up on that Les.
But then we would need a drummer, bass player, etc.
We gotta jam too you know!

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How would you compare your Fulltone tube unit to Fulltone's solid state one?
Also I would have to have food catered, as I would not be able to leave your studio for a week or more :D

Do you remember a tape unit that came out around 1975, I cannot remember what brand it was.
My last year of high school, and our music teacher also owned a guitar store in West Seattle.
He got in this tape unit that used a cassette type tape I think instead of the wider tape like Echoplex used, and it was a lot smaller than an Echoplex.
It may have gone for around $200 back then, but being a high school student I could not get it at the time, and my dad thought I had enough music stuff :D
1973 Les Paul Deluxe, many pedals, and a Fender Bandmaster head and HUGE 2x12 Bandmaster cab.
 
I wish I could take you up on that Les.
But then we would need a drummer, bass player, etc.
We gotta jam too you know!

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How would you compare your Fulltone tube unit to Fulltone's solid state one?
Also I would have to have food catered, as I would not be able to leave your studio for a week or more :D

Do you remember a tape unit that came out around 1975, I cannot remember what brand it was.
My last year of high school, and our music teacher also owned a guitar store in West Seattle.
He got in this tape unit that used a cassette type tape I think instead of the wider tape like Echoplex used, and it was a lot smaller than an Echoplex.
It may have gone for around $200 back then, but being a high school student I could not get it at the time, and my dad thought I had enough music stuff :D
1973 Les Paul Deluxe, many pedals, and a Fender Bandmaster head and HUGE 2x12 Bandmaster cab.

Jam? No problem. I play bass, too.

I haven't tried the Fulltone solid state echo yet, so I can't say how it compares.

Gee, I also don't remember that cassette tape unit. Interesting, though!
 
I did a Google search yesterday with both websites and pictures, and I could not find it Les.
I thought for sure it might have been an Ibanez unit, but it was not.
I do remember it being made though by a guitar manufacturer.

I did test it though long ago at that teachers music store.
 
I did a Google search yesterday with both websites and pictures, and I could not find it Les.
I thought for sure it might have been an Ibanez unit, but it was not.
I do remember it being made though by a guitar manufacturer.

I did test it though long ago at that teachers music store.

Oh well! I bet it was pretty darn cool anyhow.
 
Yeah, it was about the size of a standard cassette recorder for that era.
Used a standard cassette I think with just enough tape in it for the job.
 
The '70's cassette-tape echo was a Korg--don't know the model number. I remember trying one out in the '70's--I wasn't impressed; lots of flutter and warble, and noisy. I wanted an Echoplex, but I couldn't afford one--I finally wound up buying an Electro-Harmonix Memory Man in late '76. I didn't like it either--it sounded like an Echoplex with a bad tape in it--but it was a lot cheaper than a tape unit.
 
One thing about tape echo units...the big tape cassettes that were used on the original echoplexes made a lot of mechanical noise you could hear in the room, and to a degree, still make noise you can hear in the room (the Fulltones use a re-creation of the old tape cassette the originals used, with 1/4 inch tape like the originals, too, though it's much higher quality tape since tape improved a lot right through the 90s, hence the machines don't shed a lot of oxide, etc.). Mechanical noise in these types of machines has always been something of a drawback, even though the good ones sound marvelous and of course, the noise in the room doesn't show up on recordings unless you happen to accidentally mic the echoplex with a room mic, which of course I have done!). In any case, it'll be interesting to see how noisy and how reliable the transport on the T-Rex unit will be.

What's interesting is that the big tape recorders of the 70s-80s era, with high end motors and transports, were dead quiet in a room, unless a tape reel had a bent flange that scraped against the tape and caused a warble (hence the term "flanging"). The open-reel machines I had until 2000 or so were incredibly well-crafted, and I bet are still running today somewhere if anyone kept them up. We are talking big machines that were the size of a washing machine, with discrete components, and beautiful mechanical parts, that were literally dead silent in operation.

As an old "tape man," I really miss those machines. With a hot roll of tape on them, the room would get this great smell, too! And I'm pretty sure you can hear the smell on those old records, right? ;)

The 70s were kind of an odd time for American industry, and I think that was true of all segments of the market. The first oil crisis starting around '73 or so had a huge effect on all manufacturers, whose pricing structures were clobbered by inflation and the first overseas competition. I remember that at the start of the decade, I bought a new, loaded Firebird Formula for around 3 grand. By the end of the decade, the same car was about double to triple the price, and wasn't nearly as nice. I switched to European cars, and so did a lot of other folks (or other imports).

Musical instrument makers had similar issues - my '67 Fender Bassman was bought new for maybe $250-300. A decade later the same amp was double to triple the price, and a lot of folks were priced out of the market, so they just made the dang things more cheaply. Apply something similar to a whole industry, and it's no wonder that a lot of folks find stuff from that era far from "classic."

However, there is also gear from that era that people absolutely love. So I guess there just aren't any real conclusions to be drawn. And music gear is such a personal thing! But I do love tape echo.
 
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Les, this T-Rex unit is not coming out until early next year.
Have been looking at the Fulltone units, and the tube one seems to have better sound than the solid state one.

Sweetwater is out of stock right now, but I am on the list to be notified when they come in.
Might as well get the "reel" deal.
You saw what I did there right :D
 
Les, this T-Rex unit is not coming out until early next year.
Have been looking at the Fulltone units, and the tube one seems to have better sound than the solid state one.

Sweetwater is out of stock right now, but I am on the list to be notified when they come in.
Might as well get the "reel" deal.
You saw what I did there right :D

Heh! I sure did!

The only caveat is a reminder that the unit's tape cartridge will make a mechanical whirring noise that you can hear in the room (it doesn't come through the amp of course)...some players can't deal with that, however, the sound of the machine's delay is glorious. As a guy who was around for the original machines, you'll find the tape path maintenance very simple.
 
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OK - I like what I hear in the demos, but tape??? All I remember growing up were jammed 8 track and cassette tapes.
 
OK - I like what I hear in the demos, but tape??? All I remember growing up were jammed 8 track and cassette tapes.

Tape delay has a unique sound that so far hasn't been successfully modeled, at least if you're picky.

But the tape path needs to be maintained if it's used a lot, which means tape head and pinch roller cleaning with tape head cleaner and a cotton swab, and periodic demagnetization, just like a tape recorder. I've never had a tape machine that was properly maintained jam, but I suppose it's entirely possible.

Tape delay machines aren't for everyone. For those who aren't into the little bit of maintenance required, or who don't want to put up with the mechanical noise, it's a better idea to go digital. In fact, Fulltone's Mike Fuller says that if you're not into dealing with the things tape machines do, definitely don't buy one (he's fairly emphatic about this in his own strangely aggressive way), and I agree.

For me, the maintenance is a lot easier than changing strings, and compared to maintaining, biasing, and calibrating open-reel 24 track recorders, it's a breeze! But some players don't want to deal with it. And I completely get that.

On the positive side, there's a thing a real tape echo does that you absolutely don't get (so far) with digital or bucket brigade analog. But not everyone cares or needs that. I have digital delays too, for the unique things that digital delays can do, and I don't look down my nose at digital delay. No tape machine can do, for example, the kind of digital tricks The Edge does. So there's a lot of room for different types of delays.
 
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Tape delay has a unique sound that so far hasn't been successfully modeled, at least if you're picky.

But the tape path needs to be maintained if it's used a lot, which means tape head and pinch roller cleaning with tape head cleaner and a cotton swab, and periodic demagnetization, just like a tape recorder. I've never had a tape machine that was properly maintained jam, but I suppose it's entirely possible.

Tape delay machines aren't for everyone. For those who aren't into the little bit of maintenance required, or who don't want to put up with the mechanical noise, it's a better idea to go digital. In fact, Fulltone's Mike Fuller says that if you're not into dealing with the things tape machines do, definitely don't buy one (he's fairly emphatic about this in his own strangely aggressive way), and I agree.

For me, the maintenance is a lot easier than changing strings, and compared to maintaining, biasing, and calibrating open-reel 24 track recorders, it's a breeze! But some players don't want to deal with it. And I completely get that.

On the positive side, there's a thing a real tape echo does that you absolutely don't get (so far) with digital or bucket brigade analog. But not everyone cares or needs that. I have digital delays too, for the unique things that digital delays can do, and I don't look down my nose at digital delay. No tape machine can do, for example, the kind of digital tricks The Edge does. So there's a lot of room for different types of delays.

In my case, you are talking to someone who barely knows a wrench from a screwdriver (just ask my wife). I'll stay with digital (but I have to admit, I did like what I heard on the demos)
 
In my case, you are talking to someone who barely knows a wrench from a screwdriver (just ask my wife). I'll stay with digital (but I have to admit, I did like what I heard on the demos)

Well, if you can use a Q-tip on...well...whatever you use a Q-tip for, you can handle it, but not everyone wants to. ;)
 
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