513 BRAZILIAN ROSEWOOD - CITIES

[Shaun_Magher]

I have a 513 Brazilian Rosewood, that I purchased in 2007 from The Academy of Sound in Hanley, Staffordshire, UK. I have cherished this guitar since I purchased it, but now I want to move it on in order to upgrade, however, I have been informed that without an A10 certificate it is illegal to sell at all, and is a criminal offence even if I list it for sale. I have been informed that PRS should have issued this certificate with the guitar at purchase, however, like all fanatical guitar owners, I have every piece of paper given to me a purchase and I certainly do not have an A10. I have contacted PRS customer support, numerous times and tumbleweed. The Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA) have requested that I provide teh import and export information for the guitar. How on earth can I get this, as the Academy of Sound closed in 2018.

HAs anyone else had this issue? Did PRS help? Advice please.

 

[FlameTop]

CITES in the UK is a minefield. Having an 'endangered specimen' of anything on the CITES list without certification does make it illegal to sell or even 'display to the public for commercial purposes'. Its made worse as most of the provisions and online help is associated with living animals. Think endangered species of Parrots.

Most A10s I have seen are termed TSC or Transaction Specific Certificates. i.e. they are issued to a person for the transfer of a listed specimen. In theory there are SSC certs (Specimen Specific Certificates) but I have never seen one of those associated with a guitar. In theory PRS should have had a TSC A10 to sell the guitar to the importer and one to sell it to Academy of Sound. But my guess is that back in 2007 it was unlikely it was done. The problem is, as you have found, now you have to provide the import and export trail for the guitar. Thats so they can look for the, probably non-existent, 2007 A10s. Short of that, you have to prove where the specimen (i.e. the rosewood neck) came from. Pretty impossible.

tl;dr I have seen people get CITES certs for pre-91 convention items (e.g. old 60s fenders). I have never seen anyone get a 'retro' CITES cert for a mid-2010s guitar that has no CITES paper trail.

Sorry.

 

[John Mann]

PRS does not provide CITIES certificates with guitars. They typically onlt provide a letter that informs you that the guiar has BRW.
It is up to you to obtain the paperwork from the proper government agency.

At least, that's how it works here in the States...

 

[Maertl513]

Electric Guitar PRS Paul Reed Smith PRS 513 Rosewood WHALEBLUE S/N 109337 | eBay

PRS 513 Rosewood WHALEBLUE, genuine Japanese product. The case has signs of wear due to storage.

www.ebay.com

This 513 RW is currently on sales.
My Japanese is very rusty, but scrolling to the pictures with the case candy/paper work you'll recognize a PRS stamped blue sheet of paper with USDA permission and a reference to the Convention of International XYZ to shorten the full term.
Hence PRS DID in some cases legal preparation in line with CITES for international sales.

This is a different document than the certificates which come with Private Stock items though.

 

[TheCraftsman]

Best advice reach out to PRS as they do need to document and maintain paperwork.

 

[11top]

I have a 513 Brazilian Rosewood, that I purchased in 2007 from The Academy of Sound in Hanley, Staffordshire, UK. I have cherished this guitar since I purchased it, but now I want to move it on in order to upgrade, however, I have been informed that without an A10 certificate it is illegal to sell at all, and is a criminal offence even if I list it for sale. I have been informed that PRS should have issued this certificate with the guitar at purchase, however, like all fanatical guitar owners, I have every piece of paper given to me a purchase and I certainly do not have an A10. I have contacted PRS customer support, numerous times and tumbleweed. The Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA) have requested that I provide teh import and export information for the guitar. How on earth can I get this, as the Academy of Sound closed in 2018.

HAs anyone else had this issue? Did PRS help? Advice please.

I’m curious as to what you want to “upgrade” to. The 513 is a cool piece, and nothing beats a solid BRW neck IMO.