1989 Custom 24 rotary switch question(s)...

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  1. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    Hot guitar! The Wing Police are gonna be after ya, though! :p
     
  2. gush

    gush She said "huge bag of dibs".

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    I've got an 89 if you need pics of wiring cavity
     
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  3. steved

    steved New Member

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    I plead guilty, due to "that guy did it". Assuming the Wing Police are what I think they are, this is how I got the guitar; I'm going to assume someone who just didn't know changed out the strings last. When I bought my 85 (remember I was one of the first people to buy one) I got taken aside and got a detailed run down on how to change the strings. That first batch - the wings weren't completely developed yet, I had to take it back in to get replacements as they started breaking. Fun fact: Dickie Betts spent a few hours playing my guitar before he decided to buy one of his own, and I got to show him how to change the strings.
     
  4. bodia

    bodia Authorities said.....best leave it.....unsolved

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    Now that is wicked cool!
     
  5. gush

    gush She said "huge bag of dibs".

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    That is beyond cool!!!
     
  6. AaeCee

    AaeCee New Member

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    Yeah! I was gonna report that to the authorities around here! Serious violation in my book.:eek:
     
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  7. Slowhands

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    Beautiful guitar, from that era the amber tops are my favorites, personally. Iconic.

    I have a '90 with original everything and here are some pix of the switch. I presume the wiring is still the same as an '89 would be.

    I gotta say, wiring that bad boy up looks like a nightmare. I mean, look at that fine red wire running around all the different wafers. Good luck with it!

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  8. steved

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    Thanks for the pics! And no worries about the wiring - I build and fix modular synth electronics stuff semi-professionally, doing this kind of wiring is a piece of cake. I got the switch, and I've cleaned it up - removed all that red teflon wiring - it was set for a different version than what I want. The original wiring is much simpler - only about 6 little jumper wires.

    Tonight (instead of monkeying with the switch some more) I changed out the strings for the first time (the wing police can stay home!), adjusted the bridge height (the previous owner had the high E side of the bridge down on the deck for some reason), and checked out the pickups. It turns out there are Dragon (I guess the first version) pickups in there.

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  9. Slowhands

    Slowhands New Member

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    That photo of the neck pickup cavity is interesting. Looks like a bunch of people who worked on or inspected the guitar all left their marks. In mine there are no such marks, just a number which I believe is a date (111290, i.e. 11/12/90). I wonder when they started doing that? Sorry, I'm just a nerd about such stupid things.

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  10. Jazzedout

    Jazzedout More Guitars than Time...

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    An early Custom with Dragons!! What's not to like?
     
  11. steved

    steved New Member

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    Yes, the neck cavity writing probably reveals a lot. It looks like J.K. crossed out A.B.'s initials, and then S.S. got in the act too. In the bridge cavity it has the serial number and "Vintage Yellow" written in sharpie.
     
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  12. Slowhands

    Slowhands New Member

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    It looks like they were fighting over who was going to get to keep it. In the end though, you're the one who won the battle!
     
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  13. steved

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    Follow up, for anyone who's curious: I got it all back together tonight with a completely working rotary switch - Yay!

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    And it's just as I remembered. Bridge, Neck and middle are standard, power out of phase is fantastic sounding, and the other position is doinky sounding.

    The road to getting it finished wasn't as smooth as it could have been. The first switch I bought was extremely "experienced", and had the knurled knob end bent over slightly. I ended up doing the rewire with standard hookup wire, and got the knurled end straightened out, but wasn't completely happy. I wanted it to be as close to the original as I could make it, as I certainly have enough soldering skills to pull that off. So I found another much cleaner looking switch, and thanks to my friends on muffwiggler.com I was able to track down the original kind of wire used for all the wiring that's on the switch. And got busy redoing the wiring on this new switch, but - it fell apart. Broke. Half of the top blue wafer broke off. I tried supergluing it back together, but it wouldn't hold, and broke again, so I gave up on that one and just used the other one. And it works like a charm!
     
  14. CandidPicker

    CandidPicker Plugged In...On Standby Only

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    Congrats. The Santana (Vintage) Yellow is a desirable collector's item. Must ask, why did you let the '85 slip away?
     
  15. steved

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    Ouch. That's a bit complicated. Two factors. First reason: - my main job at the time was (and still is) playing cello in the Nashville Symphony, and in 1988 they basically shut down, went bankrupt, locked us out for almost a year. I scraped together some odd jobs, but was really hurting financially, and wasn't playing guitar at all like I used to, due to Second reason: in 1987 I had a big bad accident involving a glass door that nearly cut off my left hand. Got myself put together, at least enough to resume playing cello after a year of rehab, but the guitar playing ability really didn't come back very well. 30 some years later I still have trouble doing much more than basic chords, although I can play non-chord stuff and lead stuff really well. So basically I had this super nice, valuable guitar that I could barely play, and selling it would pay 3-4 months of rent. And yes, I started kicking myself for that decision really soon, and still am. I actually looked up the guy I had sold it to a few years back, to see if there was any chance I could buy it back, but he had sold it when he retired (he had been a cop/musician - in a band here called the Blue Lights).
     
  16. Slowhands

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    Very nice! Back to iconic original configuration, looks great.

    Your story about being a professional musician and almost having your hand amputated is terrifying. I'm glad that you've been able to overcome it - granted, with some limitations - and bring the music back to your hands. Play the hell out of that guitar and enjoy every minute of it!
     
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  17. Bill SAS 513

    Bill SAS 513 Just another old guy in a T-shirt

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    Everything he said!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
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    CandidPicker Plugged In...On Standby Only

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    Arm around the shoulder. I understand now. I'd tell you my story, but then, I don't need to overshadow yours. You've earned this.
     
  19. 88prs

    88prs OCD for PRS

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    I had to replace the switch in my '88 Custom since it became intermittent so I went with the new PCB mounted 5 way since it involves very little soldering and is more robust. I did have to use the dremmel tool and route an additional 1/8x1/8x1/8 inch square for the PCB. No biggy.
     
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